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RE: OT. bettas

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Subject: RE: OT. bettas
From: David Sanchez <barbax2 at yahoo_com>
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:47:21 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020202080449.00ae94e0 at mail_kittikity.com>
Bravo Jacqueline! Well said. I concur.

Dave Sanchez



--- Jacqueline Jenkins <kitti at kittikity_com> wrote:
> I'm sorry, but it sounds like you're calling betta
> breeders 
> selfish..  Bettas are bred one way so they aren't
> hiding anything from each 
> other there..  There aren't any special breeding
> techniques for a strain 
> like with some killie species..  They're all the
> same species so they all 
> breed the same..  Also, with killies, you breed them
> and you get all the 
> same fish with pretty much all the same colors and
> patterns..  With bettas, 
> you may get only a few really nice males or females
> from a 100 fry 
> spawn..  As for the males and females being sold
> seperately, I think that 
> has a lot to do with the fact that people wanting to
> choose their own 
> fish..  They may have a really nice female or male
> that they want to breed 
> but they don't have a mate that suites their
> purpose..  Also, they might 
> want to try to keep some kind of genetic diversity
> in there..  Then again, 
> some people might not be interested in breeding and
> just want the male 
> because they're pretty..  I know that's the main
> reason they're sold that 
> way in pet stores..  People like the pretty fish
> with long fins but don't 
> have any interest in the female which is most of the
> time much more 
> drap..  I've recently bought a very nice pair of
> bettas for just $24 on 
> Aquabid..  Most of them seem to go for about that
> price..  Males or females 
> alone can go for between $5 and $20..  Depending on
> the quality of the fish 
> and it's rarity..  Some auctions even have the males
> for sale and offers a 
> free female at the winner's choice..  Betta breeders
> aren't holding back 
> information or holding back females to drive up
> prices..  The best bettas 
> are just simply harder to breed and find..  It's
> like a grand champion 
> dog..  That dog and it's offspring are going to be
> expensive simply because 
> they're the best..  People will pay for the work
> that another breeder went 
> through..
> 
> Jacqueline
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >You know folks that I really can't resist getting
> into a good useless off
> >topic conversation. Try as I might, when it comes
> to fish it is hard for me
> >not to form and express an opinion. So here goes.
> >
> >First of all the question should not be why are
> bettas so expensive? It's
> >why are killies so cheap?  The difference is that
> as killie breeders we are
> >trying to distribute our fish. We want a particular
> species to spread. If we
> >were to sell only males and cull our females we
> could accomplish the same
> >thing betta breeders do.  One could argue that if
> the price were too high
> >someone could just go out and collect more. But
> this is not always so. In
> >many cases there are no more wild populations. In
> any case if we have a
> >particular fish we could just rename them when they
> are collected so that it
> >would be harder for more to be found.
> >
> >Lets think about it for a minute. When someone has
> a very rare killie what
> >does he do with it. He breeds it and usually gives
> it to all of his friends.
> >Those which get sold usually start out expensive
> but then the price goes
> >down rapidly as the fish is proliferated. I have
> seen killies go for over
> >$100.00 per pair but those prices usually last only
> a short while until
> >everyone has them then it goes for pocket change at
> auction.  If someone
> >figures out how to breed a difficult fish they
> share the information freely.
> >If killie breeders withheld females and kept their
> secrets I think that
> >killies pairs would sell for much more than bettas.
> I am not sure about
> >betta breeders. Maybe they do the same amongst
> themselves. I do not know.
> >But the fact that so few bettas are sold as pairs
> gives me the idea that
> >there is some method behind the madness.
> >
> >As to breeding special strains of killies goes, why
> not? How many people on
> >this list have not kept albino something or
> red/orange or chocolate AUS.
> >They are nice little fish  There is plenty of room
> in our hobby for wild
> >fish and hybrids alike (as long as they are
> correctly labeled).
> >
> >As killie folk we are lucky we are in such a
> wonderful hobby with such a
> >great bunch of people!  Most of my rarest fish were
> actually given to me or
> >sold to me at less than the cost it took to raise
> them. I don't mind
> >bringing fish to auction, even when I know that
> they will go for very
> >little. Hopefully someone else will be successful
> with them and they will
> >proliferate. If I were looking to get top dollar
> for my fish I would work
> >hard for other good breeders not to get them.  The
> last place I would sell
> >my fish is at a club auction where others who could
> breed them could get a
> >hold of them. I do agree that It is nice when our
> fish bring big bucks but
> >certainly not necessary.
> >
> >If we really wanted to raise our fish incomes all
> we need do is withhold
> >them, or at least withhold the females. In the end
> it take a lot less work
> >and cost less money to raise fewer fish and we
> would all make a much larger
> >profit.  It is our willingness to share our fish so
> inexpensively which has
> >prevented any large scale killie enterprise from
> ever succeeding.
> >
> >Finally the question is do we really want to be
> like betta breeders? You can
> >get the males for $2.99 but if you want a correct
> pair it will cost you
> >$300.00.  I'm not sure that we are wired that way.
> >
> >Peace,
> >
> >~RJ~
> >
> >
> >
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