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RE: L. Tanganicanus
Thanks Karl, I have their URL here.
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Doering [mailto:kilikarl at bignet_net]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:31 AM
To: killietalk at aka_org
Subject: Re: L. Tanganicanus
It's Wet thumb Aquatics Delores & Dewey Schehr
Karl Doering
kilikarl at bignet_net
Eastpointe, Mich.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Morris, George" <gmorris at kester_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: L. Tanganicanus
> Good morning RJ. Actually, I'm pretty sure that I won't be able to keep
> Lampricthys is our local tap water, I'm just not sure how mnuch to doctor
> it. The crushed coral will be the substrate in the tank, and about one
> third of the rockwork will be limestone that was dumped along the shores
of
> Lake Michigan around here for erosion control during the 70's. I'll be
> running the tank ( with my Northern Pike living in it) and testing the
water
> for a couple of months, since with the holidays coming and all I don't see
> myself getting over to Greenthumb for the fish until mid January. Thanks
> for your input.
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tranquility Base [mailto:TranquilityBase at NetZero_Net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:13 AM
> To: killietalk at aka_org
> Subject: RE: L. Tanganicanus
>
>
> Hi George,
>
> According to a VERY EXPERT killie breeder who keeps this species. The type
> of hardness which these fish need is created by magnesium salts which are
> present in the lake water. This is the kind of salt found in Epsom salt.
It
> is VERY unlikely that you have that much Epsom salt in your tap water.
>
> As to aging your water over crushed coral before introducing it into your
> tank goes, I am not sure how long it would take before your tap water
would
> be ready to use. You certainly would not want to put your fish into tap
> water and wait until the hardness is adjusted by the crushed coral. Most
> fish are sensitive to this kind of change. In salt water your salt mix
> adjusts the water to the correct parameters and the crushed coral just
helps
> to keep it there.
>
> I recognize the gist of your message, because I have been there and done
> that. You would like to keep the fish in your tap water. It would save you
> the expense, bother and mess of setting up a mixing container and mixing
the
> water. In my experience if I try hard enough, and if I ask enough people
and
> only listen to the parts of what they say that I want to hear I can
usually
> justify doing what I wanted to do in the first place. Unfortunately no
> matter how convinced that I am that what I am doing will work, it is much
> more difficult to convince the fish. Actual experience indicates that the
> fish will live or die depending on their needs not my opinions.
>
> I need to add an example here. Some time ago I sold a pair of Nothos to a
> new hobbyist. They were his first pair. I told him that they would eat
> frozen on days when he could not feed them live. After a very detailed
> explanation he told me that he understood perfectly. What I meant to say
was
> that he should feed them "premium" flake food every day and treat them to
> frozen about once a week. Despite my best efforts to explain the
> nutritional requirements of these fish he heard exactly what he wanted to.
> I also explained exactly how to set up a tank for the Nothos, because he
> asked, but somehow it seems that despite my words to the contrary, what I
> "actually" said was that the Nothos would do best if put into a tank with
as
> many different aggressive community fish as he could find.
>
> I am not familiar with your actual water conditions in Chicago but I tend
to
> doubt that they replicate the African rift lake. If water chemistry
> analysis proves me wrong and you right put the fish in your tap water. But
> before you proceed make sure your judgment is based on chemistry and
actual
> water tests and is not colored by your interest in convenience.
>
> I hope I have not offended you, as that was certainly not my intent. Nor
was
> it my intent to compare you to the novice hobbyist. I just wanted to make
> sure that you double check you logic before proceeding. Get the precise
> water parameters of the lake and duplicate them, then all you have to
worry
> about is everything else.
>
> Good Luck and Best regards,
>
>
> ~RJ~
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of Morris, George
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:10 AM
> To: 'killietalk at aka_org'
> Subject: RE: L. Tanganicanus
>
>
> Thanks RJ. Where do your friends who keep Lamprichthys live? What I need
> to add to my water depends on what I start out with. Here in the Chicago
> area we have pretty hard water with a moderately alkaline pH. I have bred
> Lamprologus and Julidochromis in our tap water. If hardnes is all that is
> needed, my tap water and a crushed coral substrate would seem to be
> adequate. On the other hand I have seen photos of the rocks in Lake
> Tanganyika cemented together with calcium deposits and I'm not sure that
my
> water is *that* hard. I'm a;lso unsure about their pH requirements.
> Regards,
> george
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tranquility Base [mailto:TranquilityBase at NetZero_Net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 12:35 AM
> To: killietalk at aka_org
> Subject: RE: L. Tanganicanus
>
>
> Hi George,
>
> I should start with saying that I do not keep this fish, but I have 2
> friends who do. Water conditions for L. tanganicanus are reported to be
> critical. One friend makes his own water with epsom salt, table salt and
> baking soda the other uses premade commercial preparations of Tanganyikan
> salts. Unless and until you have a very detailed recipe for making your
own
> water which include all of the critical final measurements you might be
> better off buying premixed salts. I have never heard of this species
> acclimating to common tap water.
>
> One common misconception about tropical fish is that they will adapt to
the
> conditions which you would like to offer them. This is only true to a
> limited degree. Some fish have a wide range of environmental conditions
> which they can tolerate others do not. White clouds can tolerate a wide
> range of temperatures. Discus will usually not die if maintained too cold
> but they will be much more susceptible to illness. An experienced killie
> keeper will tell you that you are usually better off setting up an
aquarium
> to accommodate your fish's special needs than expecting your fish to adapt
> to your convenience.
>
> I have been told by some people that if you maintain the correct water
> conditions the fish is not much harder to keep than many other lampeyes.
On
> the other hand I have been told by other people that the fish should never
> come in contact with air or a net. It should only be trapped and kept
> submerged when moving it.
>
> This is one of those delicate fish with very specific environmental
> parameters which must be met. If you meet them you will most likely be
> successful. The further your conditions are from those found in the fish's
> natural environment the less likely you are to be successful.
>
> I will defer to someone else on this list who has actually keep several
> generations of this fish to provide the specific details. If no one else
on
> this list replies I might be able to forward your e-mail address to
someone
> who keeps this fish for the specifics.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> ~RJ~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of Morris, George
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:44 AM
> To: 'killietalk at aka_org'
> Subject: FW: L. Tanganicanus
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Morris, George
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:37 AM
> > To: 'killlietalk at aka_org'
> > Subject: L. Tanganicanus
> >
> > Good morning everyone. I've finally gotten off my butt and set up a 55
> > gal. tank for Lampricthys tanganicus. I'm using crushed coral
leftover
> > from the last time I dabbled in salt water) with a UG filter and a
> > biowheel. I've put in a lot of rocks and few plants. I'm going to let
it
> > run for a while ( probably 'til after Christmas) with a few goldfish in
it
> > and then see if I can find some fish> Greenthumb Aquatics in Michigan
has
> > stocked them in the past and I'm really hoping that they will have them
> > when I'm ready to stock the tank. Does anyone have their URL? I'd
> > appreciate some advise from anyone with experience with these fish. In
> > particular in regard to water conditions. Water here in Chicago is
pretty
> > hard and I've kept some Tanganyika chchlids before. I'm wondering about
> > the importance of pH and wheterh I should plan to use the commercial
> > preparations of tanganyikan salts on the market.
> > Regards,
> > George Morris
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