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RE: dividers

Hi Paul,


It would almost seem that you and I are not too far apart on the issue of
tanks. You use shoe boxes as do I in the summer. You also use dividers to
create space. But in winter the temperature in my home is too cold for
killies in shoe boxes. Therefore my setup depends more on permanent tanks. I
know that it is possible to raise some killies to adulthood in shoeboxes. I
have done it. But I would add for the beginners on this list that it is not
nearly as easy as it sounds. I only have 24 species of killies on hand now
and tank space is in direly short supply.

Managing the few species I have in as few tanks as I have, and keeping most
of the species going from generation to generation is a lot like managing a
train wreck.  When you add 16 various worm cultures, a tank of daphnia,
brine shrimp hatchery, flour beetles, paramecium, green water and other pets
its no wonder I am tired all of the time.

I wonder if this sounds familiar to any of you out there? I can remember my
first 2.5 gal killie tank and for the life of me I am not sure what happened
between then and now.

I think that if I keep going I am going to be a candidate for killies
anonymous. Does anyone know what killie withdrawal looks like?  It can't be
pretty.


Best regards,

~RJ~

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
Behalf Of Paul Jablinski
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:34 PM
To: killietalk at aka_org
Subject: RE: dividers


From:           	"Tranquility Base" <TranquilityBase at NetZero_Net>
To:             	<killietalk at aka_org>
Subject:        	RE: dividers
Date sent:      	Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:37:53 -0500
Send reply to:  	killietalk at aka_org

 RJ,
  I disagree with you.  I have 19 tanks and I think that that's too
many.  I raise a lot of killies, and I sell a lot too.  I keep all my fry in
shoe boxes, and they grow very well to adulthood in those plastic
shoe boxes.
  Say, if you want a good divider for small tanks about 3 or 4
gallons, try buying a plastic hook (rug) starter.  I do not think that
it's for making rugs, but it is for making plate mats or the kind.  It is
made up of many 1/4 inch squares.  Here, stores sell them for
about 35 cents each.  I cut them to fit my tanks  of course, they
bow when put into the tank, but they serve their purpose.  You can
also buy them in hobby shops.  Try it,
   Br. Paul

Hi Folks,

As most of you know it is difficult to raise killies with under 30 fish
tanks. Dividers make the it at least possible.

Today I took on the project of designing a tank divider for a 2.5 gal
aquarium. I have tried to purchase same and after finding that there are
never any on any store shelves I tried asking the sales people. I received
blank stares and the occasional "WHY?" After explaining the obvious I
usually wound up with more blank stares or more  "WHY?'s".

After several failed attempts using various materials I keep around my home.
I found a plastic throw away pastry package from Shop Rite. I cut out the
flat top with scissors. This left me with a very thin, clear sheet of rigid
plastic. I cut it oversize so that it bows slightly when pressed between the
front and the back of the tank. I then took a 1/16 drill bit and with the
help of an electric drill added lots of holes to the divider. I took a
single edge razor blade and carefully removed the excess plastic around the
holes.

I washed the divider with dish detergent to remove any traces of food matter
and oil from the injection molding process. Then rinsed it well under hot
water.

This is the most under engineered solution I have ever come up with! And so
far it looks like it will work just fine.

I have seen larger pastry containers which could make for larger dividers.
If you have a taste for pastry the dividers are free!


Peace,

~RJ~

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
Behalf Of Wright Huntley
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:11 PM
To: killietalk at aka_org
Subject: Re: dividers




Misajegar at aol_com wrote:
>
> Wright- where do you get the plastic binder edgings???

Any big office supply house. They look, from one end like this (within the
limits of ascii art and my patience):

       /\
      /  \
      |  |
      |__|
______(__)_<--- Silicone
glass^

>
> I've been thinking of doing the same as you're recommending, as I've found
> that the kits don't aways fit snugly the first time and it usually takes
some
> readjustments to get'm set up right.

I still think the glass dividers, siliconed in place that Jim Fong uses are
about as good as it gets. He makes the glass 1/16" undersize as the cement
fills that gap nicely.

The dividers I used were intended for small reports, so the edges were
pressed
closed on the side opposite the flat spine (which is siliconed to the
glass).
It's really hard to get the plastic canvas started into them, so I cut off a
45 degree corner at the top. That way, just pressing down with the mesh
sheet
tends to open the binder and let you slide them on down. You adjust the fit
by
cutting the mesh to size. Too long and it bows, and too short -- well...

[My chief engineer used to tell me, "Cut it too short, for you can always
weld
it. What the hell are you going to do if you cut it too long?" <BG>]

Wright

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