Boil some of the sphagnum for the worms and watch the ph because it may have had lime added to it to raise the ph. Al Anderson killiman at iquest_net breed your fish today because man's breeding is killing the wild supply. --------------- See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/AKA/Applic.htm