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RE: Convention St. Louis Memorial Day Weekend 2002
Hi Folks,
Technology is a wonderful thing! And so is organization! If both are applied
in the correct ratio it is possible to give everyone a list of fish to be
auctioned in the order that they are to be presented.
First, all of the fish are entered into the database and assigned a lot
number when they come in. Then they are assigned points at the judging.
Then when the fish are bagged they are put in their correct numerical order.
They are then auctioned in the order of lot number.
As to printing up the fish list (100 copies times 3 pages), a relatively
light and slow laser printer which does 17 pages per minute, like a HP 4000
can print up and collate the auction list in 18 minutes. A decent
photocopier can do it in about 1/2 the time (35 pages per minute). And a
fast copier like a Osi can get it done in a matter of a few minutes. The
hotel might have one on sight.
When the fish come in and are assigned their lot number the order of
presentation is determined. If you start all Nothos with "0", all Aphys with
"1", etc, and you do a numerical sort of the database you can control the
order the fish will be auctioned. A few manual adjustments can be made after
all of the fish are in to move the special fish into the appropriate time
slots.
This is not a nightmare nor is it overly difficult. When a fish is bagged it
is put into numerical order. I do not see the difficulty either on the
technical aspect not the human one. Killie people are especially intelligent
and therefore should have little problem with putting bags in numerical
order. As far as programming the database goes this is within my abilities
but just barely. I can hack and wack a query in MS Access in about 5 to 10
minutes regardless of how many records or relationships I need to sort. If I
need to get real fancy I can even toss the query into a report and add a
header and footer in just a little while longer. And I know people who can
do a much better job than I can and way faster. And this can all be
automated long before the convention. As far as the fine and dedicated
people who do the actual fish bagging and data entry: May the fish gods
bless them and keep their fish always healthy, fertile and happy.
By the way if you want additional flexibility - think bar code scanner. Bag
the fish in any haphazard pseudo random order and then scan them in. Print
the lists and hand them out.
As to how much extra work it will take depends on how well the event is
organized. I believe all of the relevant data is input anyway. And the fish
are put into some sort of order before auction also, so a little technology
and a little coordination and presto everyone gets their list.
PC's and printers are all over the place and are usually not in use over the
weekend anyway. Even a good laptop could do the job. And most hotels have a
copier on site.
By the way before anyone flames me for suggesting more work for the
volunteers, please remember, someone asked for suggestions on how to make
things better, not easier. ;^) Making things easier is a whole other
thread.
Peace,
~RJ~
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:09 PM
To: killietalk at aka_org
Subject: Re: Convention St. Louis Memorial Day Weekend 2002
Hmmm maybe a bit of foot in the mouth disease here ... I went back and
looked at the full message you responded to instead of just the part you
quoted and now realize that you are right - there is no way on earth it
could be done to list them in order - thats actually funny that someone
could imagine that ... errr sorry RJ ... there is no way anyone can do
that reasonably. I suggest people learn how to tag-team for breaks!
At 09:24 PM 10/1/01 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 10/1/01 2:57:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>tgrady at twcny_rr.com writes:
>
>
> > Actually Russ ... you are wrong. The 1998 AKA convention in Syracuse
> had
> > exactly that. It was not hard to compile at all ... Basically, the
> > registration program for the convention show took all the information,
> > integrated it along with the score for each entry and then used a simple
> > query - and was able to print out the ID# - class, species name and the
> > points the pair scored. We ran off a copy and Jeff Bilbrough took it to
a
> > local print shop and printed out 100 or so copies.
> >
> >
>
>But did you use this list to organize the auction of the fish? We
basically
>had the same concept but the auction of the fish was still random. The
>original poster wanted the entire auction organized and a list of the
auction
>items prepared and presented prior to the auction. The task of preparing a
>list of 500-600 fish and organizing the auction to follow the list is what
I
>thought would be impossible.
>Russ
>
>
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