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Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #1567
Fellows:
My heart is broken and only our faith and hope mantain our lives.After
that WTC attack
I have one oil lamp and a candle in a memory of the victims from that
terrible terrorist attack.That is not only to american people : is for
all over the world.
We have the prays to offer,and our faith to the Lord,in memory from
our brother who cross the rainbow...
The peace for all,and my sincerly regards to my fellows there.
Juan Olcese
Buenos Aires Argentina
KillieTalk Digest wrote:
> KillieTalk Digest Thursday, September 13 2001 Volume 03 : Number 1567
>
> In this issue:
>
> TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
> Fw: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
> MKA Co-operative fish listing
> Orders
> Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
> Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
> Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
> Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
>
> See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
> KillieTalk mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:34:54 -0400
> From: Geo/Len <szucs at videotron_ca>
> Subject: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
>
> >
> >
> >
> > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
> >
> >
> > America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> >
> > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
> >
> > remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
> > Canadian
> >
> > television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant
> >
> > remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
> >
> >
> > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the
> > most
> >
> > generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
> >
> > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted
> > out
> >
> > of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of
> > dollars and
> >
> > forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today
> > paying
> >
> > even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
> >
> >
> > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans
> > who
> >
> > propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
> >
> > streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> >
> >
> > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that
> > hurries
> >
> > in to help. This spring, 59 American communities
> >
> > were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and
> > the
> >
> > Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries.
> > Now
> >
> > newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent,
> > warmongering
> >
> > Americans.
> >
> >
> > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
> >
> > erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
> > other
> >
> > country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
> >
> > Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly
> > them?
> >
> > Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
> >
> >
> > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman
> > on the
> >
> > moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You
> > talk
> >
> > about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
> > American
> >
> > technocracy, and you find men on the moon -not once, but several times
> > -
> >
> > and safely home again.
> >
> >
> > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the
> > store
> >
> > window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not
> > pursued
> >
> > and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
> > they
> >
> > are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and
> > pa at
> >
> > home to spend here.
> >
> >
> > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
> > through
> >
> > age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania
> > Railroad
> >
> > and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
> > caboose.
> >
> > Both are still broke.
> >
> >
> > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
> > other
> >
> > people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else
> > raced to
> >
> > the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
> >
> > during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it
> > alone, and
> >
> > I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked
> > around.
> >
> >
> > They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they
> > do,
> >
> > they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
> > over
> >
> > their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."
> >
> >
> > Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!
> >
> >
> > This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the
> >
> > United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that
> > the
> >
> > rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for
> > everything,
> >
> > and never even get a thank you for the things we do. I would hope
> > that
> >
> > each of you would send this to as many people as you can and emphasize
> > that
> >
> > they should send it to as many of their friends until this letter is
> > sent to
> >
> > every person on the web. I am just a single American that has read
> > this.
> >
> > I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:10:07 -0400
> From: "Robert J. Goldstein" <rgoldstein at rjgaCarolina_com>
> Subject: Fw: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Geo/Len <szucs at videotron_ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:34 PM
> Subject: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
> > >
> > >
> > > America: The Good Neighbor.
> > >
> > >
> > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
> > >
> > > remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
> > > Canadian
> > >
> > > television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant
> > >
> > > remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
> > >
> > >
> > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the
> > > most
> > >
> > > generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
> > >
> > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted
> > > out
> > >
> > > of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of
> > > dollars and
> > >
> > > forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today
> > > paying
> > >
> > > even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.
> > >
> > >
> > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans
> > > who
> > >
> > > propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
> > >
> > > streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> > >
> > >
> > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that
> > > hurries
> > >
> > > in to help. This spring, 59 American communities
> > >
> > > were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and
> > > the
> > >
> > > Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries.
> > > Now
> > >
> > > newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent,
> > > warmongering
> > >
> > > Americans.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
> > >
> > > erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any
> > > other
> > >
> > > country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
> > >
> > > Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly
> > > them?
> > >
> > > Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
> > >
> > >
> > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman
> > > on the
> > >
> > > moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You
> > > talk
> > >
> > > about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
> > > American
> > >
> > > technocracy, and you find men on the moon -not once, but several times
> > > -
> > >
> > > and safely home again.
> > >
> > >
> > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the
> > > store
> > >
> > > window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not
> > > pursued
> > >
> > > and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
> > > they
> > >
> > > are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and
> > > pa at
> > >
> > > home to spend here.
> > >
> > >
> > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
> > > through
> > >
> > > age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania
> > > Railroad
> > >
> > > and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
> > > caboose.
> > >
> > > Both are still broke.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
> > > other
> > >
> > > people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else
> > > raced to
> > >
> > > the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
> > >
> > > during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it
> > > alone, and
> > >
> > > I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked
> > > around.
> > >
> > >
> > > They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they
> > > do,
> > >
> > > they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
> > > over
> > >
> > > their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."
> > >
> > >
> > > Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!
> > >
> > >
> > > This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the
> > >
> > > United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that
> > > the
> > >
> > > rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for
> > > everything,
> > >
> > > and never even get a thank you for the things we do. I would hope
> > > that
> > >
> > > each of you would send this to as many people as you can and emphasize
> > > that
> > >
> > > they should send it to as many of their friends until this letter is
> > > sent to
> > >
> > > every person on the web. I am just a single American that has read
> > > this.
> > >
> > > I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON.
> >
> > ---------------
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>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:18:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Eller <jeller3 at yahoo_com>
> Subject: MKA Co-operative fish listing
>
> Michigan Killifish Association
> Co-operative Listing
> C/O Karl Doering E-Mail kilikarl at bignet_net
> 24584 Raven,Eastpointe MI.48021, (810)774-2245
>
> All fish on this list **WILL BE PICK UP ONLY** at the
> September 22, 2001 SHOW
> Orders will be taken at a first pay, first save basis.
> Make checks out to Karl Doering.
>
> A. elberti N’tui---------------------------$12.00
> A. cameronense Affinis lec.93/2--------$15.00
> A. ocellatum Nzele 88/17----------------$12.00
> A. ocellatum G-20 ----------------------$12.00
> A. spec.epoma RPC.91/1 LMT.------$12.00
> A. cauveti----------------------------------$8.00
> A. guignards Sougheta-------------------$8.00
> A. ahli kribi--------------------------------$7.00
> A. striatum lamberene-------------------$6.00
> A. bitaeniatum---------------------------- $7.00
> A. georgiae GWW86/2------------------$15.00
> A. cyanostictum blue GBG 92/10-----$15.00
> A. australe gold orange------------------$7.00
> A. gab boehmi-----------------------------$7.00
> A. biv. Splendopleure Mayukka-------$7.00
> A. biv. Funge C-91-----------------------$7.00
> Astro. Nigripinnis ------------------------$7.00
> Astro CX-001 LMT.-------------------$7.00
> Aplo. panchax----------------------------$7.00
> Ep. annulatus Monroviae--------------$12.00
> Fp. Puerzli--------------------------------$8.00
> Fp. Gardneri N’sukka-------------------$6.00
> Fp. Gardneri P82-------------------------$7.00
> Fp. Walkeri orange----------------------$6.00
> Jord. Floridae-----------------------------$6.00
> Proc. Similis------------------------------$12.00
> Pt. Longipinnis---------------------------$9.00
> Nem. Myersi------------------------------$7.00
> Nem. Whitei albino ----------------------$6.00
> N. guentheri zanz.-----------------------$6.00
> N. patrizi----------------------------------$7.00
> N. sp.benga 94/3-------------------------$10.00
> N. melanospilus 97/4--------------------$8.00
> N. foerschi--------------------------------$6.00
> N. foerschi viboplanni------------------$7.00
> N. palmquisti 94/7----------------------$ 6.00
> N. rachovi ---------------------------------$8.00
> Riv. Tenuis-------------------------------$6.00
> Simp. Constanciae-----------------------$7.00
> Simp. Fulminantis-----------------------$8.00
>
> ***--------***
> Michigan Killifish Association Presents
> 'Motor City Review' One-Day 'ALL KILLIFISH' Show
> September 22, 2001
> - -Starting Time: 9:00 am to 1:30 pm
> - -Judging 2:00 pm to 4:00 pm
> - -Fish box sales to 4:00 pm
> - -Raffles (fish and merchandise)
> - -Manufacturer's Products
> - -Final Show Fish Auction
> - -Workshop presentation by **Jim Gasior**
> - -Buffet Dinner and Speaker **Joe Derek**
>
> Location: Mount Calvary Lutherna Church
> 8129 Packard Ave. Warren MI
> (between 8 mile and 9 mile Roads and
> between Van Dyke and Hoover Roads)
>
> All Killifish show with 13 Classes:
> New world non-annuals, New world annuals,
> Nothobranchius, Gardneri, Other Fundulopanchax,
> Mesoaphyosemion, Calliurum Types,Chromaphyosemion, AOV
> Aphyosemions, Epiplatys, AOV Africa, Stud Male,
> Matched Breeding Pairs,
> Entry fee $1.00 per pair. Send mail-ins no later than
> Sept 20 to Karl Doering 24584 Raven, East Pointe MI
> 48021 phone 810.774.2254
> The MKA will pay postage for 8 or more entries if sent
> Priority Mail only. Final Auction split 70/30 favor of
> seller.
>
> Dinner/Speaker: For dinner we will be serving a very
> reasonably priced dinner for everyone that would like
> to participate.
> After dinner and to conclude a full day, Joe Derek
> will provide an entertaining program that is sure to
> keep you interested.
>
> For more information contact:
> Karl Doering 810.774.2245 email kilikarl at bignet_net
> Arch Martin 248.348.7868 email archmartin at aol_com
>
> __________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:27:54 -0600
> From: RSchwiegerath <critters at sdc_org>
> Subject: Orders
>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone who has ordered fish or BSEs from me will just have
> to wait - for obvious reasons. Also; I will be out of town
> from Sept. 12th thru Sept. 28th.
> Please contact me after the 28th with any questions (or
> reminders.)
>
> Tanks,
>
> Bob Schwiegerath
> Socorro, NM
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:01:07 -0500
> From: "Al Anderson" <killiman at iquest_net>
> Subject: Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
>
> The US has spent a lot of money to support the Israeli mistaken policies. I
> don't think anyone should be surprised? I have known for a very long time
> this would happen eventually. The American people voted for the policy of
> entering the conflict, so now we feel it directly. It's sad that we have
> simply as a people not had the foresight to realize what we were letting
> ourselves in for. Cowardly? Yep. More cowardly than hiring someone else
> to attack civilians in a tank? No, not really. What are they supposed to
> do, try to attack on the battlefield in a hopeless situation? Desperate
> people do desperate things. Want peace? Work for justice. That's always
> been true. It still is. Unfortunately, anger will reign here. I shudder
> to thing what reckless thing the US might do.
>
> Anyway, I know this is off topic, and what I'm really doing is just venting
> a bit to some friends. I'm not posting on this again. Apologies for any
> offense.
>
> Doug
>
> If that is the way you think I will contribute $5.00 to send you to the area
> you belong in 2 min. before we drop the bombs on it.
> Shalom
> Al Anderson
> killiman at iquest_net
> breed your fish today because man's
> breeding is killing the wild supply.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:13:39 -0400
> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <sifumoylan at adelphia_net>
> Subject: Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
>
> I have to respond to Barry's message. If anybody wishes to respond,
> please do it privately- not on the list. My address is
> sifumoylan at adelphia_net.
>
> I am very saddened by the loss of Doug. I hope the list will have
> him back after a reasonable cooling off period. I hope he will want to come
> back. He is a killie keeper.
>
> I am now going to make my very last remark (I know I said that
> before, but Barry's message and Doug's unsubscription changes the situation
> enough that I feel I have to speak) on this subject.
>
> First of all, Doug's message has been horribly misinterpreted by
> most readers. In no way was he justifying terrorism! He is perfectly
> within his rights as a citizen to express his view that Israeli policies
> toward the Palestinians are misguided and incite terrorism. He is also
> within his rights to express his opinion about not liking the idea of a
> violent US response and the possible long-term ramifications that may
> follow. I happen to agree on the first part, and disagree on the other.
> Just like those who flamed him, he typed quickly while under emotional
> duress while watching news of this horrific terrorist attack. So did I.
> Rereading my message, I felt I could have expressed myself better too.
> Maybe I am wrong about how I read Doug's message, and the flamers were
> right. It really doesn't matter regarding the point I want to make. I have
> witnessed a strong tendency by many list members, whether the subject is
> killies or not, to be very intolerant of other views and interests. We do
> not have to agree all the time. List members don't EVER have to agree.
> But, I think we should remember that free speech is supposed to be a
> fundamental right. An unalienable right. In this time of national crisis,
> of great emotion and concern, I think we should be extra careful about
> protecting rights. It is our freedom that is under attack by people who do
> not believe in it. Freedom of speech, quite pointedly and deliberately,
> includes speech with which we disagree or even find offensive. Certainly,
> cursing and name-calling are not constructive forms of argumentation or
> criticism. In school, I teach students to attack the IDEA- never the person
> expressing it. I think it's an instructive concept.
>
> You may now fire away- but please do it off-list.
>
> Jay-Scott Moylan
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry J. Cooper" <bjc3 at cornell_edu>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
>
> > People,
> >
> > I am aware of the emotion that underlies this discussion and I realize
> that this list, in its own small way, can help provide an outlet, but I
> would appeal to all of you not to use the list to express hate. I received a
> notification message yesterday that Doug had unsubscribed from the list. I
> think that was probably a wise move. Let's concentrate on the healing
> process.
> >
> > Barry
> > --
> > Barry J. Cooper
> > Department of Biomedical Sciences Home address:
> > College of Veterinary Medicine 27505 Riggs Hill Rd.
> > Cornell University Sweet Home, OR 97386
> > (607)253-4273 (541)367-2568
> > ---------------
> > See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe
> > Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/AKA/Applic.htm
> >
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:14:19 -0400
> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <sifumoylan at adelphia_net>
> Subject: Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
>
> I have to respond to Barry's message. If anybody wishes to respond,
> please do it privately- not on the list. My address is
> sifumoylan at adelphia_net.
>
> I am very saddened by the loss of Doug. I hope the list will have
> him back after a reasonable cooling off period. I hope he will want to come
> back. He is a killie keeper.
>
> I am now going to make my very last remark (I know I said that
> before, but Barry's message and Doug's unsubscription changes the situation
> enough that I feel I have to speak) on this subject.
>
> First of all, Doug's message has been horribly misinterpreted by
> most readers. In no way was he justifying terrorism! He is perfectly
> within his rights as a citizen to express his view that Israeli policies
> toward the Palestinians are misguided and incite terrorism. He is also
> within his rights to express his opinion about not liking the idea of a
> violent US response and the possible long-term ramifications that may
> follow. I happen to agree on the first part, and disagree on the other.
> Just like those who flamed him, he typed quickly while under emotional
> duress while watching news of this horrific terrorist attack. So did I.
> Rereading my message, I felt I could have expressed myself better too.
> Maybe I am wrong about how I read Doug's message, and the flamers were
> right. It really doesn't matter regarding the point I want to make. I have
> witnessed a strong tendency by many list members, whether the subject is
> killies or not, to be very intolerant of other views and interests. We do
> not have to agree all the time. List members don't EVER have to agree.
> But, I think we should remember that free speech is supposed to be a
> fundamental right. An unalienable right. In this time of national crisis,
> of great emotion and concern, I think we should be extra careful about
> protecting rights. It is our freedom that is under attack by people who do
> not believe in it. Freedom of speech, quite pointedly and deliberately,
> includes speech with which we disagree or even find offensive. Certainly,
> cursing and name-calling are not constructive forms of argumentation or
> criticism. In school, I teach students to attack the IDEA- never the person
> expressing it. I think it's an instructive concept.
>
> You may now fire away- but please do it off-list.
>
> Jay-Scott Moylan
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry J. Cooper" <bjc3 at cornell_edu>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
>
> > People,
> >
> > I am aware of the emotion that underlies this discussion and I realize
> that this list, in its own small way, can help provide an outlet, but I
> would appeal to all of you not to use the list to express hate. I received a
> notification message yesterday that Doug had unsubscribed from the list. I
> think that was probably a wise move. Let's concentrate on the healing
> process.
> >
> > Barry
> > --
> > Barry J. Cooper
> > Department of Biomedical Sciences Home address:
> > College of Veterinary Medicine 27505 Riggs Hill Rd.
> > Cornell University Sweet Home, OR 97386
> > (607)253-4273 (541)367-2568
> > ---------------
> > See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe
> > Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/AKA/Applic.htm
> >
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:14:24 -0400
> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <sifumoylan at adelphia_net>
> Subject: Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
>
> I have to respond to Barry's message. If anybody wishes to respond,
> please do it privately- not on the list. My address is
> sifumoylan at adelphia_net.
>
> I am very saddened by the loss of Doug. I hope the list will have
> him back after a reasonable cooling off period. I hope he will want to come
> back. He is a killie keeper.
>
> I am now going to make my very last remark (I know I said that
> before, but Barry's message and Doug's unsubscription changes the situation
> enough that I feel I have to speak) on this subject.
>
> First of all, Doug's message has been horribly misinterpreted by
> most readers. In no way was he justifying terrorism! He is perfectly
> within his rights as a citizen to express his view that Israeli policies
> toward the Palestinians are misguided and incite terrorism. He is also
> within his rights to express his opinion about not liking the idea of a
> violent US response and the possible long-term ramifications that may
> follow. I happen to agree on the first part, and disagree on the other.
> Just like those who flamed him, he typed quickly while under emotional
> duress while watching news of this horrific terrorist attack. So did I.
> Rereading my message, I felt I could have expressed myself better too.
> Maybe I am wrong about how I read Doug's message, and the flamers were
> right. It really doesn't matter regarding the point I want to make. I have
> witnessed a strong tendency by many list members, whether the subject is
> killies or not, to be very intolerant of other views and interests. We do
> not have to agree all the time. List members don't EVER have to agree.
> But, I think we should remember that free speech is supposed to be a
> fundamental right. An unalienable right. In this time of national crisis,
> of great emotion and concern, I think we should be extra careful about
> protecting rights. It is our freedom that is under attack by people who do
> not believe in it. Freedom of speech, quite pointedly and deliberately,
> includes speech with which we disagree or even find offensive. Certainly,
> cursing and name-calling are not constructive forms of argumentation or
> criticism. In school, I teach students to attack the IDEA- never the person
> expressing it. I think it's an instructive concept.
>
> You may now fire away- but please do it off-list.
>
> Jay-Scott Moylan
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry J. Cooper" <bjc3 at cornell_edu>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: OT Don't read if you're too upset. Re: R: What's Happen
>
> > People,
> >
> > I am aware of the emotion that underlies this discussion and I realize
> that this list, in its own small way, can help provide an outlet, but I
> would appeal to all of you not to use the list to express hate. I received a
> notification message yesterday that Doug had unsubscribed from the list. I
> think that was probably a wise move. Let's concentrate on the healing
> process.
> >
> > Barry
> > --
> > Barry J. Cooper
> > Department of Biomedical Sciences Home address:
> > College of Veterinary Medicine 27505 Riggs Hill Rd.
> > Cornell University Sweet Home, OR 97386
> > (607)253-4273 (541)367-2568
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