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RE: Long time maintenance was KillieTalk Digest V3 #1383


I write you becuse i want to know if fou are intersted in Cynolebias
Alexandris from Argentina
any cuestion or doud please contact me
If you need more informetion please tell me
I'm from Argentina
i don't speak to much
but i understand everything
waiting for your news
Yours faithfully

Sergius



----- Original Message -----
From: Ron @ FAR EAST <ronwill at cyberway_com.sg>
To: <KillieTalk at aka_org>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: Long time maintenance was KillieTalk Digest V3 #1383


> Hi all,
>
> Martin Ravn Tversted wrote:
> > a generel diskussion about what species people has kept for a long time?
> > how long?
>
> Wright replied;
> > Let's start with the *Fundulopanchax walkeri* GH 74/2 Kutunze.
> > Maybe seven years or more? I forget.
>
> Allen Johnson replied;
> > I have had Cynolebias whitei (now Nematolebias whitei) nearly
> > continuously since I first acquired them as my first killies purchased
> > through the F&EL from Ed Warner back in the winter of 69/70.
>
> Lee replied;
> > I have had about the same experience over the same period with
> > the same species. I don't remember where I got mine originally
> > (maybe from Allen Johnson) and I have occasionally gotten some
> > new specimens, described loosely as "red" or as especially large
> > stock (entered by Royal Ingersol at the 1997 convention).
> > I have not "interbred" these but kept them separate. Probably
> > those who believe that inbreeding is deleterious would have done
> > otherwise. I have seen no deterioration with time and generations.
>
> I'm curious whether the fishes maintained were 'interbred' with the same
line, from other killi-keepers or inbred from the stock parents/siblings,
throughout the entire maintenance period. Seven years is a long time with
inbreeding (so I thought)... until I read of Allen's original stock from
69/70 !!.
>
> Reason I asked was that a recent batch of Fp. SJO had spinal deformation
and my sole response from Ruth (her personal opinion indicated
'inbreeding').  I can see that line of reasoning .... the same have been
observed with fancy guppies, bettas and rams.... they're progressively less
robust, more inclined to succumb to diseases and more
> deformities.  Even though I kept the deformed SJOs for mosquito control,
they didn't last.... Mother Nature took care of the culling.
>
> Lee's posting doesn't quite tally with my thoughts when he mentioned " not
'interbred'" & not observing "deterioration with time and generations".
>
> I'd like to maintain some species and knowing no degenerative effects from
inbreeding will help.  Could someone shed some light here?
>
> Regards,
> Ronnie
> from sunny (hot!) Singapore
>
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