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Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #1358
Hi Fellows:
It's a very important point from David about the ethical from whole sellers.Maybe
needs analysis in deep.And I feel as and important matter,publish in our bulletin
who is a good trade and who is a bad trade.
Some killie keepers here in South America,make a tremendous effort to
preserve,breeding,and promotion our native annuals,and in some cases
never receive in trade another species.
With one Ecuador citizen who lives in Orlando,with one of my good northamerican
friend I sending a trio of Apistograma Borelli wild strain,after get all the
papers,and
health certificates,etc.to trade for some Gardneri populations never receive
anything.
I recognize it's a personal problem.But the question it's. Who many times the
same person make the same attitude?
Regards
Juan Olcese
Buenos Aires,Argentina.
Maybe why not create a "virtual jail",to put inside this bad traders?
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> KillieTalk Digest Thursday, July 5 2001 Volume 03 : Number 1358
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> Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
> RE: VDA at 90
> Re: Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
> What was that stuff again?
> Re: Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
> VDA at 90
> Re: What was that stuff again?
> Re: What was that stuff again?
> Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
> Re: VDA at 90
> Re: What was that stuff again?
> Re: What was that stuff again?
> Missing killietalk posts
> VDA at 90
> Re: Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:19:25 -0700
> From: "David Lains" <david at zfin_org>
> Subject: Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
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> Is there a general consensus as to obtaining wild killies imported to
> wholesalers? I purchased a pair in LA and have been questioning the ethics
> of it. I've wanted to play with Epi annulatus for a while and now I can get
> wild ones, should I? There are a few others Aplo normani and Aphy chaytori
> that look interesting but is it ethical? If so do you give them some sort
> of Import code similar to a collection code? You couldn't pin down a
> location but if they were imported together they would likely come from
> similar area.
>
> Tanks
> David
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:13:06 -0400
> From: "-RJ-" <TranquilityBase at NetZero_Net>
> Subject: RE: VDA at 90
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> I can not see why you would say that you are recommending something that you
> are not volunteering for.
>
> I have seen the work required to put together a convention. Be it right or
> wrong people still go to the convention for the fish show, the awards, the
> presentations and the activities. No convention can be done without these.
> Selling a large book to the convention revelers which they can read in their
> hotel rooms instead of running the usual fish room, show, auction,
> collecting trips, awards and lectures might appeal to some people but I
> think others might prefer the more traditional approach. The last thing
> the convention volunteers need is an additional chore. Assembling, editing
> and publishing is something best done by someone without the additional
> responsibilities of putting together a convention. You have a great idea! Go
> for it! I am sure that everyone will help you.
>
> Start with an outline get the interviews, articles and photos you need and
> edit it. I would estimate that the entire project should take less than 2
> years if you are fully computerized, given that you most likely would not be
> able to work on it full time. If you can draft a few co-editors, you might
> be able to save a month or two. If the cost of publishing the book is too
> high it could be distributed on disk. I do not believe that your book
> would need to be 400 pages long.
>
> Best regards,
>
> ~RJ~
>
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> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of RuevenM at aol_com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 4:59 PM
> To: killietalk at aka_org
> Subject: VDA at 90
>
> A fish friend in Germany just sent me a wonderful new book. It is
> a 400 + page history of the German aquarium organization of which most of
> the
> societies in Germany are a member. Imagine The Northeast Council Of Aquarium
> Societies here in the USA being expanded into a national organization, add
> real scientific work, all kinds of local specialty groups and a beautiful
> glossy monthly magazine for all members and you would have the VDA.
> Killifish are well represented in this history. Hermann Meinken was
> one of the leaders of the VDA from the 30's until the 80's, as were Roloff,
> Ahl, Arnold, Foersch, Ladiges and others. The book covers the growth of the
> organization, its individuals and the hobby. It reports when many of the
> most
> common tropicals were first imported and by whom. It shows incredible photos
> of early greenhouse breeding establishments and amazing early 20th century
> aquarium/plant shows. Its unbelievable that such a book even exists and at
> an
> amateur level.
> It got me wondering why couldn't the AKA do a much smaller version for
> its 40th anniversary Convention? Now before everyone jumps down my throat
> for
> putting out an idea without volunteering to do it, let me just present it.
> What if the host club this year, instead of trying to have a bigger and
> better fish show and bigger and better awards and spending time giving out
> all the meaningless awards the AKA now has, what if they spent real time
> making a Convention book on the AKA's history? They could collect historical
> photos of people, fish, fishrooms, past conventions, shows, collecting
> trips,
> programs etc. They could approach charter members to write their memories of
> the AKA and killies. The archive and publication committees could provide
> past documents that deserve notice. Individuals could provide informative
> private letters -- like all of Roloff's, Scheel's, G. S. Myer's, etc
> letters.
> Great killie articles could be reprinted. The remaining founders of the AKA
> could all write their history/memory of the organization -- Klee's is
> already
> written but I am sure there is alot more. Bruce Turner, Alan Fletcher and
> Rosario LaCorte could write about the killie hobby before the AKA was
> formed.
> This book could be sold at the Convention and then to the membership as a
> whole.
> To top it off, the host club this year -- and the AKA as a
> whole --
> could invite the remaining founding members and certain other key
> individuals
> in the AKA's history to make a great presentation/talk/bull session at this
> Convention. Klee, Turner, LaCorte, Haas, Weitzman, Tirbak, Ricco, Langton,
> Kallus, Dyer, Hoelter and a few others could form a great program: The AKA
> 1962-2002.
> Just a thought. Might be more interesting than the usual collecting
> trip, water chemistry, raising live foods, new descriptions/ichthyology
> Convention standard fare.
>
> Robert E.
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:02:18 -0400 (EDT)
> From: BigJohnW at webtv_net (John Wubbolt)
> Subject: Re: Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
>
> Hello David
>
> Theres nothing wrong with obtaining wild fish from an importer. I have
> some wild Annulatus that i picked up at the 2001 convention.
>
> The only thing that could become a problem, is naming the fish. I was
> chatting with a fellow killie keeper one day just about this subject.
> We sort of agreed that for identification purposes, there could be or
> maybe should be a group that is willing to give the fish a particular
> name/location code. Im sure that the available wild annulatus that
> your importer had available to him/her was also available to others.
> If several different ppl got the fish from different wholesalers and
> decided to Name the fish themselves giving the fish a code/location
> name, things down the road could get messy. You ( the Hobby ) would
> eventually have possibly 3 or 4 strains of fish that were truly the same
> fish. This is the only drawback that i could see to getting wild fish
> from an importer.
>
> As far as the fish is concerned. It's nice to have that new blood into
> the hobby. My fish were labeled as Commercial Import 5/01, meaning
> that they became available as an import in May 2001. Probably the
> best way to give the fish a name , if no real location information is
> available from the wholesaler.
>
> John
>
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:39:26 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "John N. Alegre" <listhub at libros_andante.mn.org>
> Subject: What was that stuff again?
>
> A few months ago there was a discussion on this list about a substance to put
> in bags with fish being shipped or bagged for auction that absorbed ammonia. I
> recall the consensus was that it worked pretty good but I don't remember what
> the commercial name of the product was.
>
> Who can clue me?
>
> Thanks
> john
>
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:20:50 -0400
> From: Frauley Elson <fraulels at videotron_ca>
> Subject: Re: Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
>
> David,
> I've had a few debates about this one, as a friend imports tropical fish
> and sometimes gets killies. I would not want to see a killie industry
> develop, but I don't think there's a big ethical question about buying
> wild fish. Generally, killies in shipments are mixers.
> Every collector or exporter is another predator in the killie habitat,
> and once a few normani, chaytori or annulatus come to North America,
> they are the living dead as far as their natural life goes. But they are
> living, and should be kept that way. I'd say go for it.
> To distinguish importations (I've seen two distinct looking annulatus
> over the last few years) I put CI (Commercial Import) country (G for
> Guinea), year and month. At one point we had a lot of Nigerian fish
> coming, and every bag of dwarf cichlids had four or five bedraggled
> biteniatum hoping against hope nothing was going to see and eat them.
> Every little group was a bit different, so as pretentious as it might
> seem, in one year the july fish (long finned) was different from the
> november ones (a stocky short finned biteniatum), hence the month
> designation. It's a shaky, possibly invalid system, and both have since
> been lost anyway, but you can only try.
> - -Gary Elson
>
> > David Lains wrote:
> >
> > Is there a general consensus as to obtaining wild killies imported to
> > wholesalers? I purchased a pair in LA and have been questioning the
> > ethics of it. I've wanted to play with Epi annulatus for a while and
> > now I can get wild ones, should I? There are a few others Aplo
> > normani and Aphy chaytori that look interesting but is it ethical? If
> > so do you give them some sort of Import code similar to a collection
> > code? You couldn't pin down a location but if they were imported
> > together they would likely come from similar area.
> >
> > Tanks
> > David
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:51:55 EDT
> From: RuevenM at aol_com
> Subject: VDA at 90
>
> RJ,
>
> I did not mean that the usual Convention fare had to be done away with
> but only cast in a new light. Of course, there will be a show, auction,
> sales, awards, programs etc... but maybe the focus can shift some. What if
> the lectures/workshops were built around the history of killies and the AKA?
> Can you imagine that just as much, if not more, practical information could
> be communicated? Rosario LaCorte could do the evolution of spawning mediums
> from Dr. Meder's charcoal, Jacob Scheidnass' spawning mops to Za's #3
> aquarium gravel and everything in between. Bruce Turner, Al Klee and John
> Pafenyk could all describe John Gonzales' large commercial killifish raising
> operation. Alan Fletcher could talk about the attempt to form the American
> Panchax Asso. before the AKA and The Aquarium Magazine's support of the
> killie hobby through its Panchax Exchange column. Henrik Kozen? could come
> from Denmark and share his research into Scheel's life work. G. Kallus and
> others could share the growth of the killie hobby in Chicago and its
> contribution to the formation of the AKA. George Maier's famous shop could be
> discussed as the meeting place for killie people. Tirbak, Langton, Ricco
> (maybe), and Ingersoll could cover the history of the BAKA. Hoelter and
> Mackowiak could cover the history of the N&RSC and the introduction of many
> new fish over the years. With all this talent in one room there could be a
> big session on fishrooms, feeding, breeding and raising that would be
> unforgetable. It would be amazing if someone could come up with Franz
> Werner's old 1964 slide program introducing killies and the AKA to aquarium
> societies around the country. (I wonder why the AKA doesn't have such a
> program to rent to aquarium societies today?) Then, of course, Klee, Turner,
> Haas, Weitzman, and others could all come together for a session on the
> foundations of the AKA. Weitzman is a student of ichthyology and one of the
> great ones himself. He knew most of the big ones -- he was Myers' student --
> and could do a great program on the ichthyologists that were central to the
> science of killies.
> I do not know if the book will become a reality. I have alot of
> thinking to do. It wuldn't be 400 pages as the german book covers many more
> years, people, fish and clubs. It would not be a book just to go read in a
> hotel room. But maybe the current members of the AKA don't really care about
> where they have come from; what their hobby is built on and what the old
> guys might still have to teach to us today. I don't want to get into
> something like this and discover that no one really gives a damn and just
> sees it as some nice quaint trip down memory lane.
> And what if this convention had more volunteers than just the host
> club? What if all the local clubs -- since they are so influential in the
> AKA's life now -- helped with this Convention? What if that became an
> unofficial requirement for local clubs? It would be a way to train more local
> clubs in the process -- to some degree -- of hosting a Convention. I know the
> work involved as I Chaired a FOTAS (Fed. of Texas Aquarium Societies)
> Convention once with 2 large banquets, two main speakers, a day of workshops,
> a national show/auction, a magazine for the Convention and about 100 guests.
>
> Robert E.
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:59:19 -0700
> From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
> Subject: Re: What was that stuff again?
>
> "John N. Alegre" wrote:
> >
> > A few months ago there was a discussion on this list about a substance to put
> > in bags with fish being shipped or bagged for auction that absorbed ammonia. I
> > recall the consensus was that it worked pretty good but I don't remember what
> > the commercial name of the product was.
>
> "Amquel" from Kordon is probably the best distributed, but "Prime" and "Ammo
> lock 2" seem to work just as well.
>
> Wright
>
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>
> "Let us, for a moment, take the sex-education pushers at their word:
> If you teach a child how to use a condom, you're promoting safety -- not
> usage.
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:08:57 -0400
> From: "David Rossi" <chezsous at home_com>
> Subject: Re: What was that stuff again?
>
> The stuff you speak of is Poly-Foam
>
> Probably the single most important contribution to the hobby since the
> plastic shoe box.
> In the bag, in the fry tank. Great stuff.
>
> Tony Terceira turned me on to it.
>
> David
> David J Rossi
> Warwick RI
> chezsous at home_com
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> From: "John N. Alegre" <listhub at libros_andante.mn.org>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:39 PM
> Subject: What was that stuff again?
>
> > A few months ago there was a discussion on this list about a substance to
> put
> > in bags with fish being shipped or bagged for auction that absorbed
> ammonia. I
> > recall the consensus was that it worked pretty good but I don't remember
> what
> > the commercial name of the product was.
> >
> > Who can clue me?
> >
> > Thanks
> > john
> >
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:13:51 EDT
> From: RuevenM at aol_com
> Subject: Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
>
> I cannot imagine an ethical issue about buying wild killifish. From the
> days when German sailors maintained "fish rooms" on their ships, bringing
> back killies to the import houses in Hamburg, until today, no one has ever
> caused the destruction or extinction of a killie species or habitat in the
> wild. That's one of the great things about our little fish. Unlike salt water
> fish collecting, collecting for the freshwater hobby has never hurt nature.
> Its sad that killies get treated as "by catches" but the condition of
> collected fish is another issue. Worry about the ethical issues of keeping
> clean, conditioned, well fed, healthy, breeding fish and tanks in your home.
> That's where you can make a contribution.
> As far as the proper collection code, I wouldn't worry about it.
> The kiilifish hobby survived for 70-80 years without collection codes and no
> one or no fish were any worse for wear. Your fish just become an aquarium
> strain. I know there is a certain silly and meaningless elitism about all
> killies having names now with two African mud pools after them, a country and
> a bevy of numbers, but unless you are trying to split hairs between two
> gardneri populations collected a couple of miles from each other, or playing
> ichthyologist, it just ain't that big of a deal.
>
> Robert E.
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:20:21 -0400
> From: Tony Terceira <terceira at ride_ri.net>
> Subject: Re: VDA at 90
>
> > <snip>
>
> >unforgetable. It would be amazing if someone could come up with Franz
> >Werner's old 1964 slide program introducing killies and the AKA to aquarium
> >societies around the country. (I wonder why the AKA doesn't have such a
> >program to rent to aquarium societies today?)
>
> Now there's an idea worth pursuing........... The AKA did
> have a slide tape program with many different slide tape programs
> available, I contributed two such programs myself for the AKA, one on
> spawning media and methods, and the other on the "bivittatum species
> group". There was a chairman who would send out the programs, keep
> multiple copies available , duplicate all of the slides and tapes and make
> them available to the membership for renting. I have no idea what happened
> to the slide tape programs. They would all have to be re done to be useful.
>
> It might be worth volunteering to organize the committee
> again, solicit the members to produce the program at no cost to the AKA,
> duplicate them and come up with a system of renting them for use.
>
> Tony
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:18:38 -0500
> From: "Scott Davis" <unclescott at prodigy_net>
> Subject: Re: What was that stuff again?
>
> Polyfilter, looks sort of like a sponge, absorbs ammonia. It is a good quick
> fix when plunked in a filter box, but expensive. It starts light tan and
> ends up really dark. They probably could be then use them to rub off algae.
>
> I bought one quite a while ago at a local auction. Rather than being packed
> in it's regular sales bag, it was in a fish bag. I noticed the other day
> that it is pretty dark colored - it must be absorbing stuff through the bag!
>
> Locals will cut up a Polyfilter and place a little rectangle of it in a bag
> with a fish or fishes intended for auction.
>
> I'm not sure it that was what was mentioned on this list, but it does work.
>
> Was it Wright that putting amquel in the auction bags?
>
> All the best!
>
> Scott
>
> > A few months ago there was a discussion on this list about a substance to
> put
> > in bags with fish being shipped or bagged for auction that absorbed
> ammonia. I
> > recall the consensus was that it worked pretty good but I don't remember
> what
> > the commercial name of the product was.
> >
> > Who can clue me?
> >
> > Thanks
> > john
> >
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:26:00 -0400
> From: Tony Terceira <terceira at ride_ri.net>
> Subject: Re: What was that stuff again?
>
> I think you are talking about poly filter, a chemical filter media
> that is used to remove most toxic waste. Many people are using in when
> shipping fish all over ..... it is a little expensive and available at your
> LFS or most mail order houses.
>
> the products Wright mentioned are used by many people so
> I guess we have covered all areas.
>
> Tony
>
> At 06:59 PM 7/5/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >"John N. Alegre" wrote:
> > >
> > > A few months ago there was a discussion on this list about a substance
> > to put
> > > in bags with fish being shipped or bagged for auction that absorbed
> > ammonia. I
> > > recall the consensus was that it worked pretty good but I don't
> > remember what
> > > the commercial name of the product was.
> >
> >"Amquel" from Kordon is probably the best distributed, but "Prime" and "Ammo
> >lock 2" seem to work just as well.
> >
> >Wright
> >
> >--
> >Wright Huntley, Fremont CA, USA, 510 494-8679 huntley1 at home_com
> >
> >"Let us, for a moment, take the sex-education pushers at their word:
> >If you teach a child how to use a condom, you're promoting safety -- not
> >usage.
> >...Why, then, doesn't the same logic apply to guns?"
> > --Michelle Malkin
> >
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:24:31 -0500
> From: "Scott Davis" <unclescott at prodigy_net>
> Subject: Missing killietalk posts
>
> After returning from the holiday to find that the killietalk list had been
> very very active for the 4th I was just as surprised to find that no
> postings arrived for much of today. Other lists' postings came in.
>
> On a hunch I went to the AKA site and linked to this list's archives. There
> were several which were never delivered to my e-mail box. Then tonight
> messages (but not the missing ones) began to show up.
>
> Did anyone else have a similar experience? Why would that happen? Sunspots?
> Sock gremlins in the computer? ;)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:31:24 EDT
> From: RuevenM at aol_com
> Subject: VDA at 90
>
> Now there is a program I forgot, have Tony, Joe Ricco, Klee, Collier,
> Langton, Kelly etc cover the making and evolution of JAKA/KN.
> I asked the video tape program chairman before the current one about
> what happened to all the slide and tape programs and she had no idea. She
> said they were just lost in the shuffle over the years. Its too bad as there
> were some great hobbyists on those tapes sharing some good practical
> information.
>
> Robert E.
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> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:36:15 -0400
> From: Tony Terceira <terceira at ride_ri.net>
> Subject: Re: Wild killies from whole sellers? Ethical?
>
> Robert E. wrote:
> > I cannot imagine an ethical issue about buying wild killifish. From the
> >days when German sailors maintained "fish rooms" on their ships, bringing
> >back killies to the import houses in Hamburg, until today, no one has ever
> >caused the destruction or extinction of a killie species or habitat in the
> >wild. That's one of the great things about our little fish.
>
> AMEN ..... my first killies in the 60's came without a
> population location and you know what they were still killies worth keeping
> and breeding..............
>
> Tony
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:58:59 -0500
> From: Charles n Sue Harrison <csharrison at primary_net>
> Subject: Re: VDA at 90
>
> I would be willing to burn a few CD's for the group - need the feed
> etc. but would be willing to help out
>
> Charles H.
>
> >>unforgetable. It would be amazing if someone could come up with Franz
> >>Werner's old 1964 slide program introducing killies and the AKA to aquarium
> >>societies around the country. (I wonder why the AKA doesn't have such a
> >program to rent to aquarium societies today?)
> >
> > Now there's an idea worth pursuing........... The
> >AKA did have a slide tape program with many different slide tape
> >programs available, I contributed two such programs myself for the
> >AKA, one on spawning media and methods, and the other on the
> >"bivittatum species group". There was a chairman who would send out
> >the programs, keep multiple copies available , duplicate all of the
> >slides and tapes and make them available to the membership for
> >renting. I have no idea what happened to the slide tape programs.
> >They would all have to be re done to be useful.
> >
> > It might be worth volunteering to organize the
> >committee again, solicit the members to produce the program at no
> >cost to the AKA, duplicate them and come up with a system of renting
> >them for use.
> > Tony
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:05:08 -0500
> From: Charles n Sue Harrison <csharrison at primary_net>
> Subject: Re: Missing killietalk posts
>
> Scott, I hear the keeper of the list, Dr. Cooper is back, wonder if
> he has been messing around with the list?
> Charles H
>
> >After returning from the holiday to find that the killietalk list had been
> >very very active for the 4th I was just as surprised to find that no
> >postings arrived for much of today. Other lists' postings came in.
>
> snip
>
> >Did anyone else have a similar experience? Why would that happen? Sunspots?
> >Sock gremlins in the computer? ;)
> >
> >Thanks, Scott
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:48:12 -0500
> From: "Scott Davis" <unclescott at prodigy_net>
> Subject: Re: VDA at 90
>
> I like your idea Tony of re-issuing the old slide programs. Probably a
> slide-program chair got frustrated when the programs weren't returned... I
> seem to remember such a problem and someone regretting having not made
> second copies.
>
> Slide projectors are being used less and less in schools. I'm about the last
> of our high school staff to use a projector with classes. At Michiana
> Charlie Grimes showed up with a slide projector, but noted that for business
> purposes everyone was using PowerPoint or ClarisWorks presentations.
>
> The video tape program seems to be doing well. Maybe efforts should be to
> support it. Of course it is also possible (but more work) to put together a
> slide program, video tape it and even burn it on a DVD which could be
> plunked into a laptop and shown through a video projector.
>
> The Chicago group has their first meeting this next Friday (the 13th) at a
> new site - the College of Du Page, a community college with over 20,000
> students. The meeting will be fairly conventional and we will have the slide
> projector to show what the young auction fish will look like. However I'm
> told that there is a video projector hanging from a ceiling fixture.
>
> If that is true, with the key to unlock it, we could conveniently show AKA
> videos. We might should buy that BKA slide CD-Rom and use that with a laptop
> there.
>
> Time is always in short supply to produce these thing, but what else could
> be done to provide programs for general clubs and maybe killie groups? And
> while we don't want to give away the store, the AKA could afford to make an
> extra copy of a slide-tape program these days.
>
> All the best!
>
> Scott
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:34:14 -0500
> From: "Al Anderson" <killiman at iquest_net>
> Subject: Re: Missing killietalk posts
>
> The same thing happened to me also
> Al Anderson
> killiman at iquest_net
> breed your fish today because man's
> breeding is killing the wild supply.
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