"They (SJO) eat huge amounts, and growth is directly related to how clean the water is." The best solution I found for this was earth worms. Very cheap and very good at conditioning. And no I didn't purge them with leaves first. Allen "Boat" Boatman Tampa, FL AKA,TBAS, SKS -----Original Message----- --------------- See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe