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Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #1261
This story has been going around for 5 years. It is totally false!
KillieTalk Digest wrote:
> KillieTalk Digest Friday, June 1 2001 Volume 03 : Number 1261
>
> In this issue:
>
> FW: FW: Federal Bill 602pPLease read to see what the gov't is try ing to do
> Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #1260
> Re: FW: FW: Federal Bill 602pPLease read to see what the gov't is try ing to...
> Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #1260
> Dehumidifier water
> Convention 2001 thoughts and observations (long disjointed rant)
> Spinal curvature in SJOs was : KillieTalk Digest V3 #1260
> Acid rain is just a figment of an overactive imagination!
> RE: Acid rain is just a figment of an overactive imagination!
> Re: FP. Gardneri "akure" help
> Re: Spinal curvature in SJOs was : KillieTalk Digest V3 #1260
> Re: Acid Rain
> metal, on no!
> Re: Dehumidifier water
> Re: Acid Rain
> Re: Acid rain is just a figment of an overactive imagination!
> Water from Dehumidifiers
> Re: Acid Rain
>
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:12:32 -0500
> From: "Morris, George" <gmorris at kester_com>
> Subject: FW: FW: Federal Bill 602pPLease read to see what the gov't is try ing to do
>
> >
> >
> > We need to watch what we are voting for...
> >
> > Subject: Federal BIll 602p
> >
> > Subject: Fw: ALERT!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Federal Bill 602p
> >
> > Guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P
> > 5-cents per E-mail sent.
> > It figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was
> > coming!! Bill 602P
> > will
> > permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent
> > charge on every delivered
> > E-mail. Please read the following carefully if you
> > intend to stay online
> > and continue using E-mail. The last
> > few months have revealed an alarming trend in the
> > Government of the United
> > States attempting to quietly push through
> > legislation that will affect our
> > use of the Internet.
> >
> > Under proposed legislation, the US Postal Service
> > will be attempting to bill
> >
> > E-mail users out of "alternative postage fees".
> >
> > Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to
> > charge a 5-cent surcharge on
> >
> > every e-mail delivered, by billing Internet Service
> > Providers at source.
> > The
> > consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP.
> >
> > Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is working
> > without pay to prevent this
> > legislation from becoming law. The US Postal Service
> > is claiming lost
> > revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail, is
> > costing nearly $230,000,000
> > in revenue per year. You may have noticed their
> > recent ad campaign: "There
> > is
> > nothing like a letter."
> >
> > Since the average person received about 10 pieces of
> > E-mail per day in 1998,
> >
> > the cost of the typical individual would be an
> > additional 50 cents a day -
> > or
> > over $180 per year - above and beyond their regular
> > Internet costs.
> >
> > Note that this would be money paid directly to the
> > US Postal Service for a
> > service they do not even provide.
> >
> > The whole point of the Internet is democracy and
> > non-interference. You are
> > already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail
> > because of bureaucratic
> > inefficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a
> > letter to be delivered
> > from coast to coast. If the US Postal Service is
> > allowed to tinker with
> > E-mail,
> > it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the
> > United States.
> >
> > Congressional representative, Tony Schnell (R) has
> > even suggested a "$20-$40
> >
> > per month surcharge on all Internet service" above
> > and beyond the
> > governments
> > proposed E-mail charges. Note that most of the
> > major newspapers have
> > ignored
> > the story the only exception being the Washingtonian
> > which called the idea
> > of
> > E-mail surcharge "a useful concept who's time has
> > come" (March 6th, 1999
> > Editorial). Do not sit by and watch your freedom
> > erode away!
> >
> > Send this E-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and tell
> > all your friends and
> > relatives to write their congressional
> > representative and
> > say "NO" to Bill 602P.
> >
> > It will only take a few moments of your time and
> > could very well be
> > instrumental in killing a bill we do not want.
> >
> > PLEASE FORWARD!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:23:11 EDT
> From: BizEcology at aol_com
> Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #1260
>
> << This type of acid rain
> is a serious threat to plants and animals and bodies of water which
> is poorly bufferred. This is a problem but has little effect on most
> Killi habitats... >>
>
> Except for the fact that deterioration of surrounding plant cover leads to
> excess runoff into the waters, which DO impact killi habitats.
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:23:21 EDT
> From: Dukaerl at aol_com
> Subject: Re: FW: FW: Federal Bill 602pPLease read to see what the gov't is try ing to...
>
> CHAIN MAIL
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:29:57 EDT
> From: BizEcology at aol_com
> Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #1260
>
> I have this strain and mine are throwing off 90% FEMALES. They spawn in
> floating mops. Egg production is variable and the fish respond well to water
> changes and a diverse diet. My oldest pair was bought as fry as part of a
> box exchange with the Arizona club (where I also got my Aphanius mento). I
> have one younger male and a bunch of females. I also have a number of fry
> coming up and hope to get some more males. My water is pH 7.4, TDS 180 -
> 200. They are in unheated tanks at a temp of 68 - 73. I feed them frozen
> brine shrimp, frozen blood worms, and live wingless drosophila.
>
> << From: "-RJ-" <TranquilityBase at NetZero_Net>
> Subject: Rivulus Agilae "Mont De Meheury" (looking for breeding tips)
>
> I acquired two pairs of these neat little fish at the convention - which is
> good. I was told that they produce 80% males - which is no so good. Does
> anyone out there get even sex ratios? If so I would like to hear your
> formula for success. The fish made it back and are currently settling in I
> would like to start breeding them soon. By the way, should I use bottom or
> floating mops?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.>>
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:33:32 EDT
> From: BizEcology at aol_com
> Subject: Dehumidifier water
>
> It seems to me that taking dehumidifier water and running it through one of
> the off-the-shelf tap water filters (Brita, etc...) would remove virtually
> all contaminants down to an acceptable level? Comments? I think about this
> every time I empty my dehumidifier collector.
>
> Larry Tagrin
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> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 21:08:24 +0800
> From: "Shane Essary" <sessary at mail_com>
> Subject: Convention 2001 thoughts and observations (long disjointed rant)
>
> Hi!
>
> First off, let me offer my sincerest thanks to the NFKA for putting what I thought to be a great convention altogether. Granted, this was my first national convention of *any* kind, so I have absolutely nothing to judge it by. I've heard some buzzing that there've been bigger/better shows, and if that's the case, I can't wait to experience them! I guess I started my convention going out on a great note and I hope to attend many more in the future.
>
> I know a lot of people go there for the fish. To be truthful, if I didn't get or find the fish I wanted (and there were a couple I didn't see), I would have been well satisfied simply because I got to meet and chat with dozens of people I've only known from the lists, many of whom I've been corresponding with since the mid 90's.. :) If I offended anyone, I apologize, I know I'm loud and obnoxious, hope you didn't mind.. :P The information I was able to garner just from having a face-to-face discourse will serve me well in the future and was *well* worth the trip.
>
> My impression of the show was: WOW. This was the first time I've ever seen many of these killies in real life. Heck, it was the first time I'd even *heard* of some of these fish. I guess you get that when you don't have a local group to attend on a regular basis. When I was in California last year, I attended a few So.Cal. club meetings, which was a hoot, as well, but I don't live in SoCal anymore.. :( Again, I hear the field was rather small, so I look forward to seeing one of the "HUGE" shows in the future.
>
> The talks were very entertaining. Because I'm mostly a Rivulus and cool water killie keeper, two of the speakers were right in line. Mr. Suijker (sp?) gave a splendid presentation on the Rivs he's collected and no doubt had a great effect on the bidding in the auction for some fish he discovered. Peter Tirbak's presentation was also very informative and convinced me to try to pick up some A. ogoense species to go along with my Diapterons, rivs, and cameronense.. :)
>
> Another lesson learned: You can never have too many fish and there's no such thing as "I don't have enough room." There's always room. You just have to make it so. 25 tanks and counting... :)
>
> Anyway, I didn't make it through Dr. Huber's presentation as I'd been up for approximately 35-36 hours straight (with a few nod-offs) and instead of sleeping at the table, (which I found myself increasingly inclined to do and I didn't want to seem rude), I went outside to wake up in the cool air and had some very informative conversations. I apologize again for anyone offended by my brief bout with narcolepsy. :)
>
> The awards ceremony was *long*. Man, there's a lot of awards out there. I think Norm Ruebsamen had to pay extra airfare to haul all his awards home with him. :) Congrats to all and really big to Norm for his dedication to the hobby. Of course, everyone who keeps killies should get an award for keeping some of the coolest fish in the world! (hmmm.. or is it the jewels in the tanks that are the true reward for our diligence and dedication?)
>
> The auction was insane. Well, for me it was. I knew I only had a few fish I was going for and I knew they were going to go for >$70 each. I was right.
>
> The priciest fish were the Rivulus sp. Paryagi, which are the fish that Mr. Suijker discovered. They went for $110, $105, and $85, respectively. Another high fetcher was the Riv. sp. Mahdia, another Mr. Suijker discovery. I don't remember the exact price, but I know they went for more than $80. A pair of Diapterons went for $100, if I'm not mistaken, and the Simp. grisolfi seemed to fetch prices in a similar range. There were a *ton* of lampeyes A. rancureli and another that I can't recall. Seems no one is *really* dying for lampeyes these days, although I really dig them, myself. Unfortunately, I've got so many fry that I really couldn't justify bringing home more in my limited travelpack. I think there were quite a few Notho's, but as they're not exactly my bag I didn't pay much attention. There were quite a few Cameronense group fish, and a nice variety of ogoense types (I brought home ottogartneri and pyrophore "komono yellow" thanks to the Tirbak presentation..!
> :) ). I also picked up a pair of A. congicum (which seemed plentiful in the auction), as I've a thing for "purdy yellerish fish." There were also *numerous* Diapterons, more than I could count and remember. All species of Diapteron were represented in the auction other than seegersi, but I don't think I've every seen seegersi on any auction listing from past events (I'm probably wrong). I think most of them went to the same guy, bummer for me, but nevertheless, I'll get another crack at them another day. :) Anyway, there were relatively few bargains to be had Sunday, although some fish went for rather surprising figures.. GAR going for $50 and a pair of amoenum went for $27, I think. Interesting day. I stayed to the end of the auction, always one foot getting closer to the door and I risked missing my flight just to try and bid on a nice pair of georgiae that was in the last part of the auction. (speaking of which, I brought home a pair of A. georgiae GAB 90/23, bu!
> t the female didn't make it (my only loss). anyone with an extra female or in need of a male, let me know! thanks!)
>
> Some notes about the Radisson: The "restaurant" was rather pricey for what you got. And the breakfast buffet on Sunday morning was an absolute shame. No eggs, no pancakes, no waffles, bah, I shoulda walked to McD's next door. Hey, I like to eat and my dining experience was pretty iffy at the restaurant. The banquet dinner, however, was much better than the restaurant fare, IMHO. Better variety than the breakfast buffet. I can't really comment on the rooms, but I'd like to thank Dick Martino for his suggestion, which worked like a charm! :) Thanks Mr. Martino!
>
> I also missed the "old farts hour" Saturday morning, darnit.
>
> Well, that about does it for my thoughts on the convention. I hope to make it to future events, and I hope to enter some fish of mine into the show! Great meeting all you folks who allowed me to bug you incessantly and I hope everyone had as great a time as I did.
>
> Take care,
>
> - -Shane Essary
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> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 21:35:39 +0800
> From: "Ron @ FAR EAST" <ronwill at cyberway_com.sg>
> Subject: Spinal curvature in SJOs was : KillieTalk Digest V3 #1260
>
> Hi all,
>
> I recently water-incubated and hatched some SJO frys. All are eating well and growth rate are pretty even, except that a
> small number of them had spinal curvatures.... some obvious from the top view while others from the side. Incubating /
> hatching / grow-out water is neutral with a pinch of marine salt.
>
> Knowing what causes it will help prevent a recurrence, so was it due to;
> a. damage sustained to eggs during eye-dropper transfer (changing water).
> b. inbreeding.
> c. premature hatching.
> d. water condition.
> e. improper incubation (I understand SJOs are "switch spawners")
> f. TB??
>
> The frys are on a mixed diet of microworms, BBS and sieved daphnias. Water change on alternate days with aged water from an
> extra tank.
>
> Any thoughts, comments or observations most appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Ronnie Lee
> Singapore
>
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> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:48:42 +0500
> From: "Jim Eller" <jeller3 at mail_com>
> Subject: Acid rain is just a figment of an overactive imagination!
>
> Well~
>
> Since we ALL have agreed that acid rain DOES NOT exist and is NOT a valid topic for discussion and therefore does NOT effect native killifish...then we all should return our heads to the sand. Now back to the real important stuff....
>
> JE jeller3 at mail_com
> A proud resident of the NON acid rain producing state of Michigan. ;)
> http://www.mi.lp.org/
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:56:42 -0400
> From: "Joe Bulterman" <jbulterman at earthlink_net>
> Subject: RE: Acid rain is just a figment of an overactive imagination!
>
> Isn't "acid rain" the name of a song and movie by Prince? ::-))
> I'm pretty sure there were killifish in the movie.
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of Jim Eller
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:49 AM
> To: killietalk at aka_org
> Subject: Acid rain is just a figment of an overactive imagination!
>
> Well~
>
> Since we ALL have agreed that acid rain DOES NOT exist and is NOT a valid
> topic for discussion and therefore does NOT effect native killifish...then
> we all should return our heads to the sand. Now back to the real important
> stuff....
>
> JE jeller3 at mail_com
> A proud resident of the NON acid rain producing state of Michigan. ;)
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> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 07:21:49 -0700
> From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
> Subject: Re: FP. Gardneri "akure" help
>
> "Ernest E. May" wrote:
> >
> > Wright,
> > You seem to know your water and what is of practical consequence in fish
> > husbandry, hence this inquiry. Since I live in Wisconsin I have a large
> > basement which requires two dehumidifiers to keep it reasonable. I collect
> > about 5 gallons of
> > water per week and more if the outside humidity
> > is up. The water is quite soft with (Ph 6.0) and is collected from an
> > aluminum condenser coil. Your
> > thoughts on using this water for diluting my well water?
>
> I think George said it all. The pH indicates that you may have more than
> dissolved CO2 in it, for that should only push it down to about 6.2 or so.
>
> I'd be inclined to use it with caution, or not at all. With a bit of room
> dust organics, you have a wonderful bacteria-culturing machine going.
>
> Good RO units aren't that expensive, and the bypass water is quite usable
> for fish tanks or drip irrigation systems. I've never been tempted to use
> rain water, for similar reasons to what George mentioned about dehumidifier
> water. Mine's too dirty.
>
> Wright
>
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>
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> for the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated."
> --Thomas Jefferson
>
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>
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:25:00 -0500
> From: "Ruth Warner" <Rm_Warner at email_msn.com>
> Subject: Re: Spinal curvature in SJOs was : KillieTalk Digest V3 #1260
>
> Hello over there.My opinion would be inbreeding.good luck Ruth W.
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> From: "Ron @ FAR EAST" <ronwill at cyberway_com.sg>
> To: <KillieTalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:35 AM
> Subject: Spinal curvature in SJOs was : KillieTalk Digest V3 #1260
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I recently water-incubated and hatched some SJO frys. All are eating well
> and growth rate are pretty even, except that a
> > small number of them had spinal curvatures.... some obvious from the top
> view while others from the side. Incubating /
> > hatching / grow-out water is neutral with a pinch of marine salt.
> >
> > Knowing what causes it will help prevent a recurrence, so was it due to;
> > a. damage sustained to eggs during eye-dropper transfer (changing water).
> > b. inbreeding.
> > c. premature hatching.
> > d. water condition.
> > e. improper incubation (I understand SJOs are "switch spawners")
> > f. TB??
> >
> > The frys are on a mixed diet of microworms, BBS and sieved daphnias.
> Water change on alternate days with aged water from an
> > extra tank.
> >
> > Any thoughts, comments or observations most appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ronnie Lee
> > Singapore
> >
> > ---------------
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> >
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:35:23 -0500
> From: Doug Karpa-Wilson <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
> Subject: Re: Acid Rain
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
> >To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: Acid Rain
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >Burning high-sulphur fuels probably has some pretty serious effects on
> >> >precipitation downwind from it. Of course the world magnitude is utterly
> >> >trivial when compared to a major volcanic eruption, but that still
> >doesn't
> >> >mean some people should have any right to mess up other peoples'
> >property.
> >> >Arranging proper means of compensation tends to have far better end
> >results
> >> >than forming up another army of jack-booted thugs to "plan and regulate"
> >> >things.
> >>
> >> And who but the government has the force to ensure this? As it is
> >> compensation virtually never happens. Also, major volcanic eruptions are
> >> one offs which disappate over time, unlike coal plants.
> >>
> >
> >How about on going in the USA for the past 17 or so years? Vast amounts of
> >Sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid are being produced everyday that the
> >lava enters the ocean in Hawaii...
> >MTF
> >
>
> By volcanic standards Kilauea is pretty small. When Mauna Loa blows it top
> 1000 feet off, let me know.
>
> This is sort of akin to Reagan's statement that "trees pollute". What the
> hell, let's just dump toxins everywhere, we won't live to worry about it
> any way, particularly if we do it.
>
> Doug
>
> Happy your kids don't have cancer? Thank an environmentalist!
>
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:09:23 -0400
> From: Paul Cezanne <oblique at alum_mit.edu>
> Subject: metal, on no!
>
> I just saw, and immediatly pulled out, a rusty metal SCREW from my Fundulopanchax Scheeli tank!
>
> I have no idea how it got there, the gravel was from another aquarium that was from a friend. Thankfully they fish never seemed to get hurt on it. It was of course point side up. They have been spawning so that was a fear of mine.
>
> Ok, so what do I do? I'll step up the water changes, but it was just starting to look nice and brown from the driftwood. I use Proper pH 6.5 in the tank. It is a 5 gallon with only a male and female in it.
>
> Is there anything else to do or watch for?
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>
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> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:11:15
> From: rcuetara at coqui_net
> Subject: Re: Dehumidifier water
>
> There's a company here that sells a system to get "Pure Water From Air".
> It's actually a converted dehumidifier with a plastic storage tank and a
> little pump to deliver the water to a tap. They advertise as having local
> health department approval so I guess its safe to drink, and probably for
> most fishes.
>
> - -Ramon
>
> At 08:33 AM 6/1/2001 EDT, you wrote:
> >It seems to me that taking dehumidifier water and running it through one of
> >the off-the-shelf tap water filters (Brita, etc...) would remove virtually
> >all contaminants down to an acceptable level? Comments? I think about
> this
> >every time I empty my dehumidifier collector.
> >
> >Larry Tagrin
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> >
> >
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> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:22:29 -0700
> From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
> Subject: Re: Acid Rain
>
> Mach Fukada wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
> > To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: Acid Rain
> >
> > >
>
> In response to my:
>
> > > >Burning high-sulphur fuels probably has some pretty serious effects on
> > > >precipitation downwind from it. Of course the world magnitude is utterly
> > > >trivial when compared to a major volcanic eruption, but that still
> > doesn't
> > > >mean some people should have any right to mess up other peoples'
> > property.
> > > >Arranging proper means of compensation tends to have far better end
> > results
> > > >than forming up another army of jack-booted thugs to "plan and regulate"
> > > >things.
> > >
> > > And who but the government has the force to ensure this?
>
> Aha, Doug! You found the true purpose of government that the founders
> understood so well, as expressed in the US Constitution. Preventing me from
> harming you is exactly *why* we delegate (and should restrict) the right to
> initiate use of force to the government.
>
> It's when we try to "do good" with that force that we invariably get a
> tyranny. We solve the "Jewish Problem" or the "Gypsy Problem" or the
> "Homosexual Problem," as Hitler did in the 20s and 30s. Mussolini used it to
> get the "trains to run on time." [No, Ross Perot didn't invent that
> expression. :-)] The whole history of socialism over the past century is a
> great example of how using good intentions paves the road to hell. Who likes
> how we are solving the "Education Problem?" "Let no child be left behind"
> says it all.
>
> Read the Federalist Papers for a great discussion of the differences. It is
> *not* just a democracy, and it is *not* just a republic -- it is a
> constitutionally limited government, lest we forget it.
>
> > > As it is
> > > compensation virtually never happens.
>
> Any wonder, when the fox guards the hen house? ROTFL! :-)
>
> > > Also, major volcanic eruptions are
> > > one offs which disappate over time, unlike coal plants.
> > >
> >
> > How about on going in the USA for the past 17 or so years? Vast amounts of
> > Sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid are being produced everyday that the
> > lava enters the ocean in Hawaii...
> > MTF
>
> Not to mention countless hot sulphur springs and geysers all along the
> Pacific Rim spewing tons of sulphates into the air continuously. This is one
> of the very few times in recent history that we *haven't* an active volcano
> also working along the Left Coast of the US, BTW.
>
> No. The "acid rain" mythology is a pure tool of politics, and has little
> relationship to physical reality. I may think of congress as particularly
> brainless, but even they aren't so stupid they will try to regulate Moana
> Loa.
>
> Our responsibility, as citizens, is to garner enough understanding that we
> can quit admiring the Emperors new wardrobe, once in a while.
>
> The whole environmental movement, particularly since _Silent Spring_, has
> been an exercise in increasing government power to "solve the pollution
> problem," in the very best of classic fascist style. My fear is just that
> the EPA, et al, will do to the whole country what the "War on Poverty" has
> done to our inner cities.
>
> In a private communication with Bruce S. (who has a *lot* of expertise on
> this subject -- and doesn't agree at all with me on govt's. role), he
> reminded me of why we really need to be concerned about the pH of poorly
> buffered water. I had just changed water on some wild Bettas and noticed
> their water's pH was 3.5, yet they were happily building bubble nests.
>
> Fish don't feel pH very much between about 4 and 10. What they usually feel
> is the consequences of the acid chemistry acting on *other stuff in their
> environment*. [Barry Cooper has pointed out to me that some species are
> susceptible to blood acidosis, but I have not encountered an obvious case of
> that.] Heavy metals tend to be soluble in acids. They are usually toxic as
> hell. Nitrite is pretty harmless at pH above 6, but deadly as pH goes lower.
> [I rarely try to cycle a new tank of soft water with any added peat, to
> avoid that problem.] Ammonium starts turning to deadly ammonia as pH starts
> to go above 7, and is 50 times as deadly at pH of 9 as at 7.
>
> I once killed a big tank of growing FIL because I let it get a bit acid. I
> had a bunch of lead plant anchors in there. I'm not proud of the obvious
> deaths from nerve damage that resulted. It was a sad thing to see.
>
> This is what can happen in the Adirondacks where a small addition drop in pH
> can leech heavy metals out of the (usually inert) glacial deposits and
> poison the native inhabitants. A small addition of cheap limestone could
> mitigate the problem in many cases with minimal outside impact, but that
> doesn't satisfy the desire of some to shut down all industry in a fantasy
> desire for a return to more pastoral times. The road to hell really is paved
> with...
>
> Wright
>
> - --
> Wright Huntley, Fremont CA, USA, 510 494-8679 huntley1 at home_com
>
> "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide
> for the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated."
> --Thomas Jefferson
>
> Did you try the quiz at:
>
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:48:58 -0500
> From: "Ernest E. May" <emay1 at wi_rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Acid rain is just a figment of an overactive imagination!
>
> DETROIT is no longer in Michigan?
> erny
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Eller" <jeller3 at mail_com>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:48 AM
> Subject: Acid rain is just a figment of an overactive imagination!
>
> > Well~
> >
> > Since we ALL have agreed that acid rain DOES NOT exist and is NOT a valid
> topic for discussion and therefore does NOT effect native killifish...then
> we all should return our heads to the sand. Now back to the real important
> stuff....
> >
> > JE jeller3 at mail_com
> > A proud resident of the NON acid rain producing state of Michigan. ;)
> > http://www.mi.lp.org/
> > --
> >
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> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:52:52 -0500
> From: "Joe Weber" <wellington10 at hotmail_com>
> Subject: Water from Dehumidifiers
>
> George Slusarczuk wrote:
> >I never used that water for fish & don't know whether the copper content
> >would harm killies. Probably not enough copper to do any harm. The only
> >way to know for certain is to try it out.
>
> I have been using water from a dehumidifier with non-magnetic silver coils
> for several years now. I presume it is an aluminium coil. I have spawned
> such as A. elberti Foumbam, A. maculatum GEB94/17, plus many of the elegans
> group and a few of the gardneri group with no problems. Some species are
> now into their third generation in this water.
>
> Joe Weber
>
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>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:52:46 -0500
> From: "Ernest E. May" <emay1 at wi_rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Acid Rain
>
> I feel properly lectured to; in this tirade I noted no mention of Killifish!
> erny
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wright Huntley" <huntley1 at home_com>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Acid Rain
>
> > Mach Fukada wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
> > > To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Acid Rain
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > In response to my:
> >
> > > > >Burning high-sulphur fuels probably has some pretty serious effects
> on
> > > > >precipitation downwind from it. Of course the world magnitude is
> utterly
> > > > >trivial when compared to a major volcanic eruption, but that still
> > > doesn't
> > > > >mean some people should have any right to mess up other peoples'
> > > property.
> > > > >Arranging proper means of compensation tends to have far better end
> > > results
> > > > >than forming up another army of jack-booted thugs to "plan and
> regulate"
> > > > >things.
> > > >
> > > > And who but the government has the force to ensure this?
> >
> > Aha, Doug! You found the true purpose of government that the founders
> > understood so well, as expressed in the US Constitution. Preventing me
> from
> > harming you is exactly *why* we delegate (and should restrict) the right
> to
> > initiate use of force to the government.
> >
> > It's when we try to "do good" with that force that we invariably get a
> > tyranny. We solve the "Jewish Problem" or the "Gypsy Problem" or the
> > "Homosexual Problem," as Hitler did in the 20s and 30s. Mussolini used it
> to
> > get the "trains to run on time." [No, Ross Perot didn't invent that
> > expression. :-)] The whole history of socialism over the past century is a
> > great example of how using good intentions paves the road to hell. Who
> likes
> > how we are solving the "Education Problem?" "Let no child be left behind"
> > says it all.
> >
> > Read the Federalist Papers for a great discussion of the differences. It
> is
> > *not* just a democracy, and it is *not* just a republic -- it is a
> > constitutionally limited government, lest we forget it.
> >
> > > > As it is
> > > > compensation virtually never happens.
> >
> > Any wonder, when the fox guards the hen house? ROTFL! :-)
> >
> > > > Also, major volcanic eruptions are
> > > > one offs which disappate over time, unlike coal plants.
> > > >
> > >
> > > How about on going in the USA for the past 17 or so years? Vast amounts
> of
> > > Sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid are being produced everyday that the
> > > lava enters the ocean in Hawaii...
> > > MTF
> >
> > Not to mention countless hot sulphur springs and geysers all along the
> > Pacific Rim spewing tons of sulphates into the air continuously. This is
> one
> > of the very few times in recent history that we *haven't* an active
> volcano
> > also working along the Left Coast of the US, BTW.
> >
> > No. The "acid rain" mythology is a pure tool of politics, and has little
> > relationship to physical reality. I may think of congress as particularly
> > brainless, but even they aren't so stupid they will try to regulate Moana
> > Loa.
> >
> > Our responsibility, as citizens, is to garner enough understanding that we
> > can quit admiring the Emperors new wardrobe, once in a while.
> >
> > The whole environmental movement, particularly since _Silent Spring_, has
> > been an exercise in increasing government power to "solve the pollution
> > problem," in the very best of classic fascist style. My fear is just that
> > the EPA, et al, will do to the whole country what the "War on Poverty" has
> > done to our inner cities.
> >
> > In a private communication with Bruce S. (who has a *lot* of expertise on
> > this subject -- and doesn't agree at all with me on govt's. role), he
> > reminded me of why we really need to be concerned about the pH of poorly
> > buffered water. I had just changed water on some wild Bettas and noticed
> > their water's pH was 3.5, yet they were happily building bubble nests.
> >
> > Fish don't feel pH very much between about 4 and 10. What they usually
> feel
> > is the consequences of the acid chemistry acting on *other stuff in their
> > environment*. [Barry Cooper has pointed out to me that some species are
> > susceptible to blood acidosis, but I have not encountered an obvious case
> of
> > that.] Heavy metals tend to be soluble in acids. They are usually toxic as
> > hell. Nitrite is pretty harmless at pH above 6, but deadly as pH goes
> lower.
> > [I rarely try to cycle a new tank of soft water with any added peat, to
> > avoid that problem.] Ammonium starts turning to deadly ammonia as pH
> starts
> > to go above 7, and is 50 times as deadly at pH of 9 as at 7.
> >
> > I once killed a big tank of growing FIL because I let it get a bit acid. I
> > had a bunch of lead plant anchors in there. I'm not proud of the obvious
> > deaths from nerve damage that resulted. It was a sad thing to see.
> >
> > This is what can happen in the Adirondacks where a small addition drop in
> pH
> > can leech heavy metals out of the (usually inert) glacial deposits and
> > poison the native inhabitants. A small addition of cheap limestone could
> > mitigate the problem in many cases with minimal outside impact, but that
> > doesn't satisfy the desire of some to shut down all industry in a fantasy
> > desire for a return to more pastoral times. The road to hell really is
> paved
> > with...
> >
> > Wright
> >
> > --
> > Wright Huntley, Fremont CA, USA, 510 494-8679 huntley1 at home_com
> >
> > "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide
> > for the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated."
> > --Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Did you try the quiz at:
> >
> > http://www.self-gov.org/index.html ?
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> >
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