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Re: here's an idea

Folks,

    I sort of have to jump in here a bit.  I do not wish to put anyone off 
or make them feel like no one cares about this idea.  I also do not mean to 
come across as "anti-new killie keeper" as people who know me - know my 
fishroom is open for raiding.

   As chairman of Species Maintenance for the AKA., I probably have a 
better feel for what is rare in the hobby than anyone else.  The funny 
thing about that is this:  No matter what format of list I create that fits 
the criteria of "Rare Fish" that need assistance in the hobby - its going 
to be almost useless.

    Why do I say this?

    I will use a example:  Aphyosemion mimbon  -  of the 100+ reports 
(about 13% of the AKA membership) only one report of a single pair of this 
fish has been received.  I know the breeder will be busting his tail to 
breed this species and I am certain if anyone can succeed, he will do 
it.  But to fit the criteria of the list would require this fish be listed 
on it.

     Okay - say this breeder produces three pairs of Aphy. mimbon and 
offers them to me to distrubute  - how do I choose who gets each 
pair?  What criteria do I use with people I don't necessarily know their 
qualifications?  Do I just pull names out of the hat?  Please do not 
misunderstand me - I suspect many of you are fine breeders and more than 
willing to work with the fish - but my job is to ensure the continuance of 
the species in the hobby.

     This leads to this question?  How many of you discussing the creation 
of a list consider yourselves qualified to accept the responsibility of 
taking what may be the last pair of fish on Planet Earth and saving it from 
extinction?  That - in some ways - is how I have to look at the situation.

     The funny thing to me in all of this discussion:  People say lets 
create a list of rare fish and then get them and distribute them to build 
them up in the hobby.  How does one distribute a single pair or even two or 
three?  Folks, the reason the fish are rare generally is not because people 
withhold them - its because they are darn near impossible to breed in large 
enough numbers to become "UNRARE" <chuckles - I know I know no such word> ...

     As for a list of what is rare or not:  I will be posting the Easter 
Killie Count for the AKA Convention and give it to Barry to go online at 
that time.  I suppose I could complete the work before then - But I am a 
volunteer and that is how I am going to do it  <laugh>.

    I guess what I am saying is this:  You will have a Census of fish to 
work with.  From that census you should be able to determine fish you would 
like to place on that list.  I am not sure how SMC will work within your 
concept.   But at least - those of you who wish to do this kind of work 
-  a starting point exists.  Lets see what happens.

    Tom Grady
    Chairman, Species Maintenance Career



At Monday 10:23 PM 4/23/01, you wrote:
>I, as a fisheries biologist and ecologist, like the "idea" stated.  But I 
>guess my main question would be where does the "starter" groups 
>originate?? Who has enough of them that they are rearing successfully and 
>are willing to "part" with them for this project?  I think we need to come 
>up with a list first; Perhaps a "North American List" first and work of 
>these species.
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Doug Karpa-Wilson
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:24 PM
>>To: killietalk at aka_org
>>Subject: Re: here's an idea
>>
>>
>> >Let put together a short list of species "we" feel should be
>> >conserved and then see who voluenteers to take them up. The
>> >crunch will come to see who offers starter fish.
>>
>>I'll be astonished if this approach works.  It's been tried several times
>>with virtually no reponses.
>>unfortunately, I haven't been looking for long enough to have a sense of
>>what's rare.  I'd be extremely happy if it did, but I'd doubt it.
>>
>>Doug
>>
>>Doug Karpa-Wilson
>>Department of Biology                                    1821 S. Maxwell St.
>>Bloomington, IN 47405                                   Bloomington, IN 47401
>>
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