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Re: here's an idea
I sort of have to jump in here a bit. I do not wish to put anyone off
or make them feel like no one cares about this idea. I also do not mean to
come across as "anti-new killie keeper" as people who know me - know my
fishroom is open for raiding.
As chairman of Species Maintenance for the AKA., I probably have a
better feel for what is rare in the hobby than anyone else. The funny
thing about that is this: No matter what format of list I create that fits
the criteria of "Rare Fish" that need assistance in the hobby - its going
to be almost useless.
Why do I say this?
I will use a example: Aphyosemion mimbon - of the 100+ reports
(about 13% of the AKA membership) only one report of a single pair of this
fish has been received. I know the breeder will be busting his tail to
breed this species and I am certain if anyone can succeed, he will do
it. But to fit the criteria of the list would require this fish be listed
Okay - say this breeder produces three pairs of Aphy. mimbon and
offers them to me to distrubute - how do I choose who gets each
pair? What criteria do I use with people I don't necessarily know their
qualifications? Do I just pull names out of the hat? Please do not
misunderstand me - I suspect many of you are fine breeders and more than
willing to work with the fish - but my job is to ensure the continuance of
the species in the hobby.
This leads to this question? How many of you discussing the creation
of a list consider yourselves qualified to accept the responsibility of
taking what may be the last pair of fish on Planet Earth and saving it from
extinction? That - in some ways - is how I have to look at the situation.
The funny thing to me in all of this discussion: People say lets
create a list of rare fish and then get them and distribute them to build
them up in the hobby. How does one distribute a single pair or even two or
three? Folks, the reason the fish are rare generally is not because people
withhold them - its because they are darn near impossible to breed in large
enough numbers to become "UNRARE" <chuckles - I know I know no such word> ...
As for a list of what is rare or not: I will be posting the Easter
Killie Count for the AKA Convention and give it to Barry to go online at
that time. I suppose I could complete the work before then - But I am a
volunteer and that is how I am going to do it <laugh>.
I guess what I am saying is this: You will have a Census of fish to
work with. From that census you should be able to determine fish you would
like to place on that list. I am not sure how SMC will work within your
concept. But at least - those of you who wish to do this kind of work
- a starting point exists. Lets see what happens.
Chairman, Species Maintenance Career
At Monday 10:23 PM 4/23/01, you wrote:
>I, as a fisheries biologist and ecologist, like the "idea" stated. But I
>guess my main question would be where does the "starter" groups
>originate?? Who has enough of them that they are rearing successfully and
>are willing to "part" with them for this project? I think we need to come
>up with a list first; Perhaps a "North American List" first and work of
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Doug Karpa-Wilson
>>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:24 PM
>>To: killietalk at aka_org
>>Subject: Re: here's an idea
>> >Let put together a short list of species "we" feel should be
>> >conserved and then see who voluenteers to take them up. The
>> >crunch will come to see who offers starter fish.
>>I'll be astonished if this approach works. It's been tried several times
>>with virtually no reponses.
>>unfortunately, I haven't been looking for long enough to have a sense of
>>what's rare. I'd be extremely happy if it did, but I'd doubt it.
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