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Re: Species Maintenance Report
>Typically the fish then dissappear forever; in my experience the only way is
>to keep the species going yourself and be very selective who the surplus are
>passed on to.This takes us back in a circle doesn't it?
>Dave Wood
Not entirely. If no one responds, then we don't know what's rare.
Responding to the census may affect decisions that don't affect the keeper
at all. For example, if we get a good sample size and we find that species
X is rare, I'll jump at the chance to buy it, breed it and sell it if I
think my skills are up to it, even if it's not offered by the Secret Master
Breeder in question.
There is zero link between reporting you have a fish and being asked to
give some up. That's exactly the point here! If it turns out that someone
is the only breeder with species X, they may likely see that they are the
only ones with it when the final report comes out and then they may come
forward to Tom to say "here, take some of these and establish a maintenance
group with these." However, there's no reason they would be asked to do
so, unless Tom felt he could gently do so.
I would preferentially work on fish that are rare, even ones you don't
have, but I can't do that because not enough people have responded for me
to know what's rare. So by withholding info, these people completely
stymie any attempt to save any species at all, even the ones they don't
have.
Doug
>In the past I have distributed rare species to both "experts" and novices.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "-RJ-" <TranquilityBase at NetZero_Net>
>To: <killietalk at aka_org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:15 PM
>Subject: RE: Species Maintenance Report
>
>
>> Folks:
>>
>> I have been thinking about this thread. I have seen the phenomenon of top
>> people who never bring fish to auction. They also resist any efforts to
>list
>> the fish they have. In some cases they even withhold some species
>> purposefully from circulation.
>>
>> There are only a few reasons I can think of. First they are keeping the
>> prices of their fish high by keeping them out of general circulation.
>> Second, it adds to their self importance to have a fish that is otherwise
>> not available. Third, they are indifferent to the status of the hobby.
>They
>> have the fish they want and or have sources for them and they just do not
>> care about the rest of us who do not have the fish available. Finally,
>they
>> are afraid of the negative reaction that they will encounter if they were
>> exposed as fish hoarders.
>>
>> In their defense. This is a hobby and no one is obligated to share their
>> fish. On the other hand from a practical standpoint if someone has a fish
>> that they will not share, it really is lost from the hobby. So why bother
>to
>> count it.
>>
>> If we were to find out that an individual has 200 pairs of species x from
>> collection location y which is no longer available and worse yet location
>y
>> is now a parking lot, but he or she will not sell share or trade them, do
>we
>> say that they are actually still AVAILABLE in the hobby? Should the
>hobbyist
>> be compelled to share them? And yes I have heard of certain fish being
>lost
>> because they were in fact horded and subsequently lost by the person who
>had
>> them.
>>
>> If I were hording some very rare or otherwise extinct killifish the last
>> thing that I would want to do is let anyone know. No doubt some people
>> would not understand. What would the general reaction of this list have
>> been if someone had responded that he had plenty GAR Akure Blue but they
>> were not for sale or trade? Now what would you all say if you found out
>that
>> he lost them and the "species" was now extinct?
>>
>> I hazard to guess that the people who really want to share their fish have
>> responded, as have the people who are interested in and would benefit from
>> an open exchange of fish. By the way before you guys and gals open fire on
>> me I believe in an open exchange of fish and any extra fish I have are
>> available to anyone who wants them.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> -RJ-
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
>> Behalf Of Doug Karpa-Wilson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:21 AM
>> To: killietalk at aka_org
>> Subject: Re: Species Maintenance Report
>>
>>
>> More what I meant was that the whole enterprise is to keep rare species
>> from being lost. Part of the secret there is to have more than one person
>> with these fish. If this secret society of master breeders is keeping a
>> fish, but not distributing it, then does it really go any way toward
>> maintaining it. They may have it but their population may be functionally
>> dead from the point of view of the wider community.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> >Doug if it were not for these fish you more than likely would not have
>any,
>> >the gentlemen that I am talking about are the largest breeders and do the
>> >most listing in BNL.
>> >May be if they really want the census they should have to submit the
>> >listings to the Specie Maint list first no list no advertising of your
>> list.
>> >Now if they did this there would be No AKA. so we are right back to
>square
>> >one with a bunch of roosters.
>> >Al Anderson
>> >killiman at indy_net
>> >Zero population growth
>> >to save the remaining
>> >wild life. Including killifish
>> >
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>>
>> Doug Karpa-Wilson
>> Department of Biology 1821 S. Maxwell
>St.
>> Bloomington, IN 47405 Bloomington, IN
>> 47401
>>
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