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Re: Species Maintenance Report
In the past I have distributed rare species to both "experts" and novices.
Typically the fish then dissappear forever; in my experience the only way is
to keep the species going yourself and be very selective who the surplus are
passed on to.This takes us back in a circle doesn't it?
Dave Wood
----- Original Message -----
From: "-RJ-" <TranquilityBase at NetZero_Net>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: Species Maintenance Report
> Folks:
>
> I have been thinking about this thread. I have seen the phenomenon of top
> people who never bring fish to auction. They also resist any efforts to
list
> the fish they have. In some cases they even withhold some species
> purposefully from circulation.
>
> There are only a few reasons I can think of. First they are keeping the
> prices of their fish high by keeping them out of general circulation.
> Second, it adds to their self importance to have a fish that is otherwise
> not available. Third, they are indifferent to the status of the hobby.
They
> have the fish they want and or have sources for them and they just do not
> care about the rest of us who do not have the fish available. Finally,
they
> are afraid of the negative reaction that they will encounter if they were
> exposed as fish hoarders.
>
> In their defense. This is a hobby and no one is obligated to share their
> fish. On the other hand from a practical standpoint if someone has a fish
> that they will not share, it really is lost from the hobby. So why bother
to
> count it.
>
> If we were to find out that an individual has 200 pairs of species x from
> collection location y which is no longer available and worse yet location
y
> is now a parking lot, but he or she will not sell share or trade them, do
we
> say that they are actually still AVAILABLE in the hobby? Should the
hobbyist
> be compelled to share them? And yes I have heard of certain fish being
lost
> because they were in fact horded and subsequently lost by the person who
had
> them.
>
> If I were hording some very rare or otherwise extinct killifish the last
> thing that I would want to do is let anyone know. No doubt some people
> would not understand. What would the general reaction of this list have
> been if someone had responded that he had plenty GAR Akure Blue but they
> were not for sale or trade? Now what would you all say if you found out
that
> he lost them and the "species" was now extinct?
>
> I hazard to guess that the people who really want to share their fish have
> responded, as have the people who are interested in and would benefit from
> an open exchange of fish. By the way before you guys and gals open fire on
> me I believe in an open exchange of fish and any extra fish I have are
> available to anyone who wants them.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> -RJ-
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of Doug Karpa-Wilson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:21 AM
> To: killietalk at aka_org
> Subject: Re: Species Maintenance Report
>
>
> More what I meant was that the whole enterprise is to keep rare species
> from being lost. Part of the secret there is to have more than one person
> with these fish. If this secret society of master breeders is keeping a
> fish, but not distributing it, then does it really go any way toward
> maintaining it. They may have it but their population may be functionally
> dead from the point of view of the wider community.
>
> Doug
>
> >Doug if it were not for these fish you more than likely would not have
any,
> >the gentlemen that I am talking about are the largest breeders and do the
> >most listing in BNL.
> >May be if they really want the census they should have to submit the
> >listings to the Specie Maint list first no list no advertising of your
> list.
> >Now if they did this there would be No AKA. so we are right back to
square
> >one with a bunch of roosters.
> >Al Anderson
> >killiman at indy_net
> >Zero population growth
> >to save the remaining
> >wild life. Including killifish
> >
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>
> Doug Karpa-Wilson
> Department of Biology 1821 S. Maxwell
St.
> Bloomington, IN 47405 Bloomington, IN
> 47401
>
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