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[Al, your messages are bouncing to me because you are posting from an
address different to your subscribed one. While I'm at it, if you want to
write a one pager on bagging and shipping fish, send it to me at
bjc3 at cornell_edu as an attachment with pictures and I'llconvert it to web
format, and put it on the AKA site (with you acknowledged as the author). -
I think it would be a great idea if someone would write a few pages on
bagging fish and maybe put up a series of shots on a web page with the steps
on bagging fish as suggested by Mr. ellerman.
I wish I knew how to set up a web page cause I have the shots for an artical
on this procedure.
Where can I get some of the Heat Packs?
killiman at indy_net
Breed your fish today for mans' overpopulation will kill the wild supply.
----- Original Message -----
From: <RuevenM at aol_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 10:03 PM
Subject: One and one-half cents worth on Species Maintenance
> Boy, species maintenance really seems to bring out the passion in
> people. It is hard to imagine an AKA where the "old-timers" are pitted
> against the "youngsters." It is also hard to understand why so few species
> are available to the general membership, unless one is lucky enough to
> in one of the areas of the country that has a large and active local
> group. I have been wondering about this the last few days.
> I agree with Ted and Ralph, the AKA has always felt like family to
> because of the people and because of the idealistic "nobility" of the
> association itself. It was founded on a dream; it created the form for the
> national hobby associations; it helped make the marriage of science and
> and it made a little known, poorly understood and unavailable family of
> a viable part of our hobby. It did this because it had a level of
> professionalism coupled with an enormous generosity that the other fish
> lacked. The ACA had thieves in its trading post in the early years and
> officers made off with the treasury. The IFGA 's members sold new people
> females with great males to be sure that they had no competition in the
> guppy show. The IBC never grew very large. The ALA struggled along under
> Joanne Norton and Jim Langhammer and, in many ways, is, today, still like
> very early AKA -- a few people who all know each other so there is a close
> We live in an ungraceful age and that reality even shows up here in
> fishy talk. Its all a little too competitive, harsh and selfish. Maybe all
> the old European guys who influenced the early AKA made a difference in
> way things were done. Its an older, less instantly competitive culture, so
> the Maiers, Werners, Latzels, Roloffs, Scheels, Clausens, Kaspars, Haases,
> etc... helped to set a different tone. I don't know.
> I wrote to Rosario LaCorte in 1970 at age 12 to ask him for his
> discus and J. ornatus. Rosario wrote back and gently discouraged me from
> tough fish and suggested I get more experience. We then started a
> correspondence that is still going strong 30 years later. I had one of the
> best to ask all the questions I might ever have. "Za" was my mentor. I
> have a great love of the history of the hobby (soon to start a new career
> a history teacher) and Rosario had lived some of the best moments of the
> hobby's history, so I never could stop picking his brain.
> Like Ted, I also wrote to Roloff as "Roloffias" were one of my
> favorites. I wanted to know everything about them. He answered me
> immediately. When he found out I was studying German in school, his
> started coming in German and I used them as a class exercise in
> I wanted "Roloffia" toddi, which was almost unavailable here at the time,
> he connected me with a breeder in Germany who had the fish. Roloff never
> stopped to ask if I was any good at breeding killies, he just responded. A
> few years later, when I was looking for N. furzeri and it seemed that only
> Dr. Walter Foersch in Munich had them, I wrote to the Doctor. I was
> when his letter came with this opening sentence, "I hear you raise alot of
> good fish." I was on cloud 9! The box also included 50 furzeri eggs --
> I never had anyone ask me for breeding success "creditionals" in the
> old days. I understand Dave's fear, but I don't understand how things have
> changed so. Usually people who want to breed killies are fairly advanced
> hobbyists and those that get to the point of knowing the more uncommon
> species have a real interest and ability for the hobby. Yes, there are
> species that are very hard to breed. I have failed to breed hoignei pass
> generation. But I have seen dedicated "newbies" excel with hard fish.
> ago, my sister's boyfriend, who got interested in killies after seeing my
> bedroom full of a 100 tanks, was able to raise more G. zonatus and
> guineense than I ever was -- but at least I trained him!
> I have mailed fish back and forth for 30 years and I have only had 2
> problems with the post office. Maybe others have had bad experiences, but
> like the anti-government feeling in the country as a whole, I sometimes
> we just assume the post office is bad. They have always served my needs
> I recently ordered a pair of montezumae swords and had the second of my 2
> mailing experiences happen. The shipper used those god-awlful new
> bags (why improve what has worked just fine since WW II?) and they broke.
> fish were swimming in the bottom of the box. The post office called me at
> work and I was able to rush down and save the fish. This rare and
> sword just delivered their first brood -- only 5 fry -- this week, 2
> after the ordeal. (Monties only have a few fry. The fish reminds me of G.
> zonatus in looks and behavior.)
> If people are not listing fish because of post office fear, then we
> a problem. I do not think that's it. I think its simply the trouble it
> to ship fish. I also think that the AKA does not help people in this area
> enough. The ALA publishes an entire page in its trading post each month on
> exactly how to ship fish. It is great. The AKA needs to do this for a
> to help boost participation. Explain all the ends and outs of shipping.
> AKA should also sell shipping containers to the members. List them, with
> recommended sizes for numbers of fish. The AKA should also sell shipping
> and explain what size fish should go in what size bag. I think the problem
> here is that the "old timers" don't ship much anymore and the new people
> not know how. I am sort of surprised the AKA hasn't already jumped on
> providing better means for shipping.
> I have to break off here, but I have a few more thoughts.
> Robert (Bobby) Ellermann
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