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>From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
>> Doesn't it bother anyone that this "elitist" thing comes up all the time
>> with different groups of people each time and the old hands always respond
>> with long posts saying how it's not true? It would make me think why this
>> keeps coming up.
>* * * This is not to pick on Doug at all - simply a reference to the
>discussion ... * * *
>I am a little bothered by this thread - the segregation of elitist from
>beginner and an apparant perception 'old-timers' are discouraging new
Where does this perception come from? I guess you all think it's just bad
attitudes on the part of beginners. Now I'll get regaled with a whole
bunch more 3 pages posts about how great and wonderful things were when you
joined in the 60s and how much you just sat there and listened to all these
I THINK NONE OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY READING WHAT'S BEEN WRITTEN HERE!
>I think there are a couple of important points to consider.
>First - and I think foremost - it seems that many people want the fish they
>claim as "Rare" as if the fish is common enough to simply pass around.
Could you please post a single example in ANY of these threads where
someone groused about not having access to the fish? The issue was solely
about ideas for people to find out what is rare all of which got shot down.
>With all of the species currently in the hobby, it seems to me a little
>unreasonable for relatively new killie-keepers to get upset if they cannot
>have some of the most difficult and in truth - least common - fish in the
>hobby and expect to be successful.
It's not unreasonable for newcomers to listen to more experienced folks
complain about how relatively easy species get lost because no one wants to
keep them and then want to offer their services. It is also not
unreasonable for people to feel excluded and frustrated when their efforts
are rejected forcefully and condescendingly.
I only mention this because I've seen this dynamic happen a number of times
now, and of all the newcomers who've come into this forum, suggested stuff,
gotten whacked and dropped it, I think I'm the only one who is still around
a year after. I don't see any more from Ryan Deal or Dave Dame. Will we
ever hear from them again? Maybe, maybe not.
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