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Re: I need to straighten a couple of things out. Now patience and species clubs
Again I must harken back to my comment regarding the fact that their were
only 2 maybe 3 people age 30 or under at the AKA convention. The AKA needs new
blood and the enthusiasm of new people is what we need. What is needed is
patience, yes we young people can seem very impetuous to the older folks but
that kind of drive is what may be needed to get things done. Use these new gong
ho people! put us to work! It seems like allot of stuff is being done
behind the scenes and trust me though it may seem to others that it is not I
know how tough it can be to coordinate and work as a team to get things done.
Perhaps some patience and acceptance is in order on all our parts.
As far as the species maintenance is concerned I propose setting up a
website for each concerned group of fish people can then join if they have an
interest in such fish and we can the distribute the fish to these members. this
can be part of the AKA. I saw how the DKG has a set up similar to this and I
liked the concept. Please dont take what I am going to say the wrong way NO
FLAME HERE!!!!! If it seems like to much of a hassle we could just do it without
the AKA just members of this list who have an interest in a particular group of
fish and set up their own website and aquire the fish themselves and then
maintain and distribute them to people who share the same interest. Now please I
am not saying to part from the AKA or anything like that ok so no FLAMES. Just
starting like a club, for example a Diapteron Club. We could use our combined
efforts to aquire the rare fish and maintain the website. In this way we keep
the enthusiasm out there and we get people involved. I and many others have the
contacts in Europe to obtain the rare fish so this isn't really a problem but
having the people to maintain them is! Personally I would be interested in
the Diapterons and the Camorense group. I would be willing to set up and
maintain a website for such a club or species maintenance group. If their are
other ideas I am very open to them and anyone who want to contact me off list to
discuss this please feel free to do so. I am willing to distribute my fish for
such a purpose as well.
Disclaimer!
for those few cynics out
there
I am not attempting to sell any fish this would be done to solely promote
the Killie hobby. Yes I do have a fish farm and sell fish but Killies are my so
called Pet fish and I dont sell them I trade them and give them away to anyone
who likes em, most all my friends have fish tanks now not to mention the
neighborhood kids!
David Sanchez
> This e-mail is to address some
things in Tom's e-mail:
>
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>>>Tom: "I don't want just
everyone to know what is in my fishroom and
>it has nothing to do with
secrecy and everything to do with not wanting
>phone calls for rare
species I barely keep going myself."
>
> Once
again I will state that it could be confidential! No, information
>would
be given out without the permission of the person. It the list could
>just
look
like:
SPECIES: 4 PAIR and so on.
>
>>>Tom: "An open species
maintenance list simply puts everyone at the risk
>for phone
>calls
they do not wish to deal with."
>
> It was never
really my intention for an open species maintenance list in
>which all of
the persons personal information is showed to the
world.
>
>>>Tom: "Not in the least, I was simply explaining
that people move in and
>out of the
>hobby regularly. As for
getting information for those people, they
>constantly are doing open
positive things for the betterment of the hobby,
>but they can't all focus
on a single aspect, they write articles, they
>operate KKC groups, they
publish the books people want, they work in the 25+
>committees of the
AKA, membership, beginners, website, affiliate club
>program, set up
conventions and run them. Just how much time do you expect
>people
to dedicate to a hobby?"
>
> What I meant by
"getting information from the core members" is
>information about what
fish they are keeping. I know they are doing positive
>things for the AKA
and they are very busy. It wouldn't take that much time
>1-2 times a year
to take an inventory of fish and send it in, pet shops do
>it every
week.
>
>>>Tom: "Give me a break Ryan, I have been working,
with assistance from
>numerous
>people, during that time. 2-3
years ago website management for the AKA was
>just beginning.
You said you were in college partying - I was working
>10-12 hours days 6
days week, spending my free time in my fishroom for the
>hobby, developing
the SMC database and trying to get enough free time to
>take my wife on a
vacation."
>
> The question was asked something
along the lines of "what were you doing
>2-3 years ago" and I responded
with the truth. And then I followed it up by
>telling about where I am now
(like everyone else) in my career job and
>spending my free time with my
hobby. And I was trying to show that at this
>point in my life I am ready
to work on such matters. I don't have to wait
>until I am over 30 years
old to do such things. Maybe I should just come
>back in 7 years and
everyone would take me a bit more seriously. But I don't
>think I should
have to wait that long.
>
>>>Tom: " - but please - don't
make it sound like nothing was being done."
>
> I
know things were being done, but it was also said that the effort
was
>made to contact all members and get them to send in their information
about
>what species they are keeping. I meant that if that was still in
place it
>would have been further than it is now.
Sorry.
>
>>>Tom: " never received a species list from
you"
>
> Have you ever asked for
one?
>
>>>Tom: "I want to say right now - I resent the
implication the Core Members
>are denying
anything."
>
> I e-mailed Barry a while back and
he pointed me to another person. I
>gave my information to them of what I
could possibly do and
>then.........nothing. If you recall, even in my
first message I sent about
>this whole Species Maintenance thing I offered
to help in any way! So please
>don't tell me I didn't offer to
help.
>
>>>Tom: "Has Lee Harper received your application for
any of the currently
>available jobs?"
>
>
As a matter of fact I discussed briefly with another killietalk
member
>(off list) about helping with the F&EL. He then reminded me
that since I am
>a "newcomer" that it would involve correcting a lot of
scientific names that
>I am still not too familiar with. I agreed
wholeheartedly with his remark,
>therefore I didn't send an e-mail
offering my help.
>
>>>Tom: "Ryan, I am not trying to flame
you - just trying to make the point
>about
>how easy it is to ask
the questions, challenge those who are making an
>effort and expect
"professional services" from a volunteer
organization."
>
> I am not expecting
"professional services" I am trying to help out and
>get something
going.
>
>>>Tom: "Once again, idealism comes into play - I
suspect if a fish is rare -
>it
>is because no one has 70 pairs of a
species."
>
> I gave that number as an
EXAMPLE.
>
>>>Tom: "Someone who has 50 fish today, could
have
>a die-off tomorrow and have 5 left. I know I would not
immediately jump on
>the website to tell everyone I just lost most of my
fish, "
>
> That is why this could be done 1-2
times a year. I see this is obviously
>going no where because if anyone
thought that my ideas were any good they
>would be building on the idea
instead of picking it apart and not thinking
>about what could be
done.
>
>>>Tom: "I will not betray any trusts because some
people feel a right or
>desire to know
everything."
>
> As I recall no one has stated
that they "feel a right or desire to know
>everything". I stated several
times that the person could give their
>information if they want to or
remain confidential. I am not trying to
>invade anyone's privacy. I just
think that for the benefit of the hobby, it
>would be good to know what is
out there.
> It seems that most of the "core members"
are not open to new ideas. I
>don't believe that you guys even gave the
idea a chance. As if you just saw
>it pop up again and then it was just
shot down, -been there done
>that-doesn't work. That is the feeling I
get.
>
>I can't say I didn't try!
>
>
Please, no hard feelings. I don't want everyone to be mad at me
for
>discussing this matter in such a
way.
>
>Regards,
>Ryan Deal
>Orangeville,
IL
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