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Re: Maintaining shoe boxes of fry
When the peat is removed from the tanks the fry are raised in it is either
dried then or added to the worm beds for red or white worms. then it goes
out to the yard as compost in the spring. I have been using filter floss
made by sera as a substitute for peat in a lot of the bottom spawner tanks.
The eggs are easy to find and handle this way..
Al Anderson
killiman at indy_net
317 253 2170
317 466 1615 FAX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles n Sue Harrison" <csharrison at primary_net>
To: <KillieTalk at aka_org>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Maintaining shoe boxes of fry
> Hello Al,
> Just a short question about drying the peat a second time
> after a hatch. How do you separate the fry and peat? It sounds like
> the Problems in air pump land are a thing of the past for you.
>
> Charles Harrison
>
>
>
> >KillieTalk Digest Sunday, December 17 2000 Volume 03 : Number
773
> >
> >
> >
> >In this issue:
> >
> > Re: Air Pump Problems
> > MAKA Meeting
> >
> >See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
> >KillieTalk mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:50:31 -0500
> >From: "Al Anderson" <killiman at indy_net>
> >Subject: Re: Air Pump Problems
> >
> >Charles if you set up a system with drilled tanks you can just add the
water
> >to one tank and it will go into all of them. I have around 250 gallons
that
> >I add 30 gallons a day of RO water to. In the shoe boxes I just dump the
> >fish in a small mesh net and rinse out the box and fill it with water
from
> >the system. I add about 4 table spoons of salt per 30 gallons. The fry
grow
> >fast land seem to take to the daily 100 percent water changes. This
morning
> >I changed the water in 15 boxes in just under 3 min. I keep snails and
ricca
> >and frog bite in all of the boxes. The shoe boxes have up to 35 1/2 "
fish
> >in them.
> >
> >Al Anderson
> >killiman at indy_net
> >317 253 2170
> >317 466 1615 FAX
> >- ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles n Sue Harrison" <csharrison at primary_net>
> >To: <KillieTalk at aka_org>
> >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:12 PM
> >Subject: Re: Air Pump Problems
> >
> >
> >> Hello Air Pump Users,
> >> Although I have maintained continuous air movement in most
> >> all my tanks it is not truly necessary as long as to water is fresh
> >> and you don't over feed. Snails do help. I keep a small vibrator pump
> >> around just for the brine shrimp hatchers just in case of Pump
> >> Failure.
> >>
> >> Back to change some more water
> >> Charles Harrison
> >>
> >>
> >> > Problems in air pump land
> >> > RE: Problems in air pump land
> >> >
> >> >See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
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> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:33:09 -0300
> >> >From: Juan Olcese <olcese at internet_siscotel.com>
> >> >Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #770
> >> >
> >> >Hi Fellows:
> >> >In January second week my last son trip to New York to take his
> >> >vacations
> >> >there .I'm interest if any can help me,because I need buy some Bettas
> >> >Halfmoon
> >> >males and females.Durings his holidays he stay in Manhattan area.
> >> >Regards
> >> >Juan Olcese
> >> >Buenos Aires
> >> >Argentina
> >> >
> >> >KillieTalk Digest wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> KillieTalk Digest Saturday, December 16 2000 Volume 03 :
> >Number 770
> >> >>
> >> >> In this issue:
> >> >>
> >> >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> > > >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> > > >> Cyprinodon eremus.
> > > >>
> > > >> See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from
the
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> >> >>
> >>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:37:53 -0500
> > > >> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <moylan at emi_net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus at hotmail_com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > This evolutionary "cheater" strategy is surprisingly widespread.
One
> >of
> >> >> the
> >> >> > best studied examples of this strategy of smaller males
achieving
> >> >> > reproductive success at the cost of larger, territorial males is
> >with the
> >> >> > blueheaded wrasse on reefs in the eastern Pacific. Large males
> >defend
> >> >> > territory, and as they spawn with females, smaller males who
appear
> >to be
> >> >> > females will rush in, release sperm, and often account for
20-30% of
> >the
> > > >> > resulting fry. There's the extra twist here of sequential
> >hermaphroditism;
> > > >> > when a dominant male dies, he's succeeded by a female who
develops
> >alpha
> >> >> > male physiology and behavior, and _becomes_ the alpha male. The
> >secondary
> >> >> > males are _true_ males but never become primaries.
> >> >> >
> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >>
> >> >> I once had a female marble betta who spawned well,
generally
> >over
> >> >> 300 eggs per spawn. Then I didn't use her for a couple of months.
> >She was
> >> >> kept in a group tank with a bunch of females. During that time
her
> >fins
> >> >> grew a lot. I finally set her up with another male and they
started
> >to
> >> >> fight like crazy! I was shocked to realize that she had changed
into
> >a
> >> >> male! I then spawned her with a female successfully. I
eventually
> >spawned
> >> >> two fry- one of which she/he mothered, and one she/he fathered!
> >Pretty
> >> >> cool! No errors. Definitely one fish that underwent a sex
change.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jay Moylan
> >> >>
> >> >> - ---------------
> >> >> See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe
> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:51:06 -0500
> >> >> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <moylan at emi_net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >>
> >> >> Apologies to those who dislike the keeping of a whole string of
ideas
> >> >> together.
> >> >>
> >> >> Doug,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm afraid I'm still not completely clear on a couple of
your
> >points
> >> >> below. It makes perfect sense from a betta breeders point of
view.
> >The
> >> >> goal there is to take one desirable (breeder's desire) pair of
fish
> >and fix
> >> >> a set of genes to consistently produce a particular strain. In
that
> >case to
> >> >> dilute the genes with another male's is bad. I thought with
killies
> >our
> >> >> goal is try and preserve a group's diversity. It seems that
keeping
> >some of
> >> > > the B male's genes going would be a good thing. Fish A might not
> >possess
> >> >> all the genes we wish to preserve. Of course, the limited
population
> >we can
> >> >> keep pretty much forces the breeders to make selections anyway,
and
> >> >> guarantees loss of diversity. Many select for color or size of
fins,
> >etc.
> >> >> so our preferences for appearance supercede nature's. I agree
that
> >gang
> >> >> spawning seems the least bad compromise and is my preference when
I
> >can do
> >> >> so as well. Thanks for the lessons.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jay Moylan
> >> >>
> >> >> - ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
> >> >> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:11 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hey, Jay,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sure! The important bit is that if you have a lot of AX
offspring
> >> >> already,
> >> >> > BX's will contribute more than other AX's since they're
redundant.
> >> >> > Whichever is the rarer type will contribute more. Think about
it
> >from the
> >> >> > point of view of what proportion of genes from each of the
parents
> >are
> >> >> > retained in the next generation. Just to keep the argument
> >intelligible,
> >> >> > let's assume both the females reproduce equally, so we can focus
on
> >the
> >> >> > males. On average the females will leave two offspring each
(Unless
> >the
> >> >> > tank space is continuously expanding over the protests of
spouses
> >who have
> >> >> > to now keep their sweaters in the unheated garage ;-).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For the sake of argument, let's stay with 2 offspring each.
Let's
> >say
> >> >> male
> >> >> > A has his first offspring (A1). He will contribute half his
genes
> >(one
> >> >> > copy of each of the thousands of genes the species has) to the
first
> >> >> > offspring. Total genes of his retained: 1/2 of his genome (one
> >copy of
> >> >> > each gene).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The second offspring will also have half his genes, but since
they
> >come at
> >> >> > random, half the genes A passes on to the second offspring (A2)
will
> >be
> >> >> the
> >> >> > same ones he passed on to A1, so only half of the genes in A2
are
> >genes
> >> >> > that would have been lost if A hadn't had the second offspring.
> >Total
> >> >> > retained in A1 and A2: 3/4 of A's genes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The third offspring will also retain 1/2 A's genome, but 3/4 of
that
> >half
> >> >> > are copies found in A1 and A2 as well, so the part of A's genome
> >that A3
> >> >> > preserves uniques amounts only to 1/8 of A's genome. Total saved
7/8
> >of
> >> >> A's
> >> >> > genome. As you can see trying to keep a copy of every single
on
> >of A's
> >> >> > genes becomes very hard.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Since we're limited in the total number of offspring that we can
> >keep,
> >> >> that
> >> >> > third offspring comes at the expense of B having a second
offspring.
> >> >> Thus,
> >> >> > A gets 3 offspring retaining 7/8 of A's genes, but now B gets
only 1
> >so
> >> >> > only 1/2 of his genes are preserved. In order to get 1/8 of A's
> >genes we
> >> >> > gave up 1/4 of B's.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The general priniciple is that the more variation there is among
the
> >> >> > numbers of offspring among individuals the faster genes are
lost.
> >It gets
> >> >> > more complicated than that, for sure, when you start keeping
track
> >of the
> >> >> > differing amounts relatedness among individuals (for example, A1
and
> >A2
> >> >> > have one quarter of their genes in common because of their
common
> >sire,
> >> >> > while A1 and B1 have none, so breeding A1 and B1 is better than
A1
> >and A2,
> >> >> > but you knew that!).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is also the important Wright principle that if wild
killies
> >are
> >> >> > totally inbred none of this matters. In that case, A and B are
> >> >> genetically
> >> >> > identical, so it doesn't matter who mates with whom since there
> >aren't any
> >> >> > different versions to retain. Every individual has all the
genes of
> >the
> >> >> > entire population. This takes a long time, and it takes very
little
> >gene
> >> >> > flow to prevent it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The issue you raise about gene combinations (i.e. AX, AY, BX,BY
> >stuff) is
> >> >> > actually cutting edge genetics, but it may not be so important
to
> >simply
> >> >> > retaining as many versions of genes as possible. Of course, for
the
> >super
> >> >> > hyper types, the way to go would be to breed both males with
both
> >females
> >> >> > so you have known parentage and keep one offspring from each
cross.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It should be noted that I gang spawn my fish! Of course,
they're
> >all sibs
> >> > > > (i.e. very similar) and I'm not a serious large scale breeder.
I
> >am only
> >> >> > really paying attention to output from a single species right
now.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I hope I haven't offended anyone here, but I'm sure I have
somehow.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Doug
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >Doug,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I know you have more training by far than I do in
genetics.
> >I am
> >> >> > >not fully following the math here on the loss of diversity.
So,
> >I'm
> >> >> asking
> >> >> > >for a bit more clarification. If I have a group consisting of
> >males A
> >> >> and B
> >> >> > >and females X and Y and A is dominant, then we would
intuitively
> >expect B
> >> >> to
> >> >> > >be unsuccessful in passing on his genes. All offspring from
the
> >group
> >> >> would
> >> >> > >be either AX or AY genetically. If B is sneaky enough to get
his
> >genes
> >> >> into
> >> >> > >the mix, then some fry would be BX and BY and some would still
be
> >AX and
> >> >> AY.
> >> >> > >To me that looks like an increase in genetic diversity. It
also
> >seems
> >> >> that
> >> >> > >if the pairs are separated into two tanks, A with X and B with
Y,
> >then
> >> >> the
> >> >> > >offspring will be limited to AX and BY. This also seems like a
> >loss of
> >> >> > >total genetic diversity. Can you more fully explain how this
is
> >actually
> >> >> > >not true, and results in less genetic diversity? Thanks.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Jay Moylan
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > >From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
> >> >> > >To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> >> >> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:17 AM
> >> >> > >Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > I stand by what I said about the unexpectedly high
> >success
> >> >> rate
> >> >> > >of
> >> >> > >> >non-dominant males in the spawning of many species. Some
> >species have
> >> >> > >> >25-50% success by non-dominant males in species with clearly
> >dominant
> >> >> > >alpha
> > > >> > >> >males who violently repell competitors
> >> >> > >> >Jay Moylan
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> More than you'd expect, as in more than zero. The simple
fact
> >remains
> >> >> > >that
> >> >> > >> gangspawning where some of the males are getting only 50% of
> >their
> >> >> share
> >> >> > >> means that you are losing the genetic diversity quite a bit
> >faster than
> >> >> if
> >> >> > >> you bred them individually.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Doug
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Doug Karpa-Wilson
> >> >> > >> Department of Biology
> >> >> > >> Indiana University
> >> >> > >> Jordan Hall
> >> >> > >> 1001 E. 3rd St.
> >> >> > >> Bloomington, IN 47405
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> ---------------
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> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >---------------
> >> >> > >See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Doug Karpa Wilson
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Department of Biology
> >> >> > Jordan Hall
> >> >> > Indiana University
> >> >> > Bloomington, IN 47405
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ---------------
> >> >> > See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> - ---------------
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> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:56:04 -0500
> >> >> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <moylan at emi_net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> >> >>
> >> >> Doug,
> >> >>
> >> >> That was a great description of genetic/environmental
> >interaction
> >> >> you wrote.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jay
> >> >>
> >> >> - ---------------
> >> >> See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe
> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:06:39 -0500
> >> >> From: "Doug Dame" <dameda at shands_ufl.edu>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for those kind words. I was about to think it just
> >> >>disappeared into the void without even an echo. I think it genetic
> >> >>diversity in the fishroom is a topic we all really need to learn
> >> >>and understand much more about,, cause it seems to be something we
> >> >>kinda understand in an abstract way, but we're clueless about what
> >> >>if anything we could do different or better. Bill Vannerson
> >> >>periodically stirs a stick in it just to provoke some dialogue, but
> >> >>it doesn't last long ... which kinda suggests interest is low.
> >> >>
> >> >> But after writing that, I got pretty excited about the topic ... I
> >> >>wrote myself 5 ? pages of stream of consciousness thoughts
> >> >>afterwards ... and I'm seriously considering writing an article or
> >> >>two on the subject for JAKA, if they're interested. It's not like
> >> >>I really know much about the subject though, so I'll have to do
> >> >>some review of current literature in the field if it's going to be
> >> >>credible.
> >> > >
> >> >> Later
> >> >>
> >> >> d.d.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>> moylan at emi_net Friday, December 15, 2000 7:56:04 PM >>>
> >> >> Doug,
> >> >>
> >> >> That was a great description of genetic/environmental
> >interaction
> >> >> you wrote.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jay
> >> >>
> >> >> - ---------------
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> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:38:45 +0100
> >> >> From: "Martin Ravn Tversted" <martinrt at email_dk>
> >> >> Subject: Cyprinodon eremus.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi again.
> >> >> I think I have made a mistake.
> >> >> When I first got the fishes it was my understanding that it was a
> >> >>brackish water species, and I threated it that way. But I
> >> >>misunderstood what I was told. Fortunately the fishes didnt care
> >> >>about what kind of water thay were in and they were breeding with
> >> >>succes. I then changed the conditions to freshwater and they
> >> >>accepted that too.
> >> >>
> >> >> So this just proved that the species are hardy and suitable to
> >> >>adapt themselves to different kinds of conditions.
> > > >> This is a little away from what Nonn started to ask about, but I
> >> >>thought I would correct myself.
> > > >>
> >> >> And now I hear that the species is to be called Cyprinodon eremus.
> >> >>Thank you for that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Martin Tversted
> >> >>
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> >> >------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:38:51 EST
> >> >From: SRosendorf at aol_com
> >> >Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> >> >
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> >> >The whole stream of comments and discussions has been fascinating. If
> >nothing
> >> >else we should (even with Bettas) avoid too much & too concentrating
> >> >inbreeding. For one thing, the Rosendorf rule is that in any
controlled
> >> >breeding program anything you don't specifically select for will go
bad.
> >> >StanR
> >> >
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> >> ><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>The whole stream of
> >> >comments and discussions has been fascinating. If nothing <BR>else
> >> >we should (even with Bettas) avoid too much & too concentrating
> >> ><BR>inbreeding. For one thing, the Rosendorf rule is that in
> >> >any controlled <BR>breeding program anything you don't specifically
> >> >select for will go bad.
> >> ><BR>StanR</FONT></HTML>
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:54:53 EST
> >> >From: SRosendorf at aol_com
> >> >Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #770
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >Dear Juan,
> >> >I would contact someone with IBC. The best # I can come up with is
for
> >Mike
> >> >Arsuaga at email: leondegranz at aol_com who certainly should be able to
> >point
> >> >you in the right direction. He has been the consistant champion in
the
> >Betta
> >> >competitions in the last several yrs. I can't do better because I'm
just
> >a
> >> >recent retread.
> >> >Lots of good luck and please keep me posted at srosendorf at aol_com.
> >> >StanR
> >> >
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> >> ><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Dear Juan,
> >> ><BR>I would contact someone with IBC. The best # I can come up
> >> >with is for Mike <BR>Arsuaga at email: leondegranz at aol_com who
> >> >certainly should be able to point <BR>you in the right direction. He
> >> >has been the consistant champion in the Betta <BR>competitions in
> >> >the last several yrs. I can't do better because I'm just a
> >> ><BR>recent retread.
> >> ><BR>Lots of good luck and please keep me posted at
srosendorf at aol_com.
> >> ><BR>StanR</FONT></HTML>
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:02:55 EST
> >> >From: PARANORke at aol_com
> > > >Subject: Problems in air pump land
> >> >
> >> >- --part1_91.479f242.276d084f_boundary
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> >> >
> >> >Hello everyone, Heres my problem,perhaps you can offer a
solution. I
> >have
> >> >a large fishroom with between 50 and 80 tanks.For at least 15 years
,I
> >have
> >> >used a air compessor made by Thomas Industries for my source of air
for
> >my
> >> >tanks,as of last night it decided to go to the great mechanical home
in
> >the
> >> >sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with brass valves and saddles ,like
many
> >pet
> >> >store set ups. Now I need a new compessor,I tried repairing it last
night
> >and
> >> >that didn't work.The old comp. may be able to be rebuilt as a
> >backup,perhaps
> >> >by Thomas which was located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that
the
> >fish
> >> >have no air now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in
> >obtaining a
> >> >new one with a similar capacity is very important. I looked at
petwhse
> >.com
> >> >,but they don't give any specs on the number of tanks that can be run
off
> >of
> >> >a particular blower or air comp.,nor do the say whether this unit is
> >> >compatible with 3/4 in pipe. I need something within the week just
for
> >my
> >> >sanity and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise is driving
me
> >> >crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20
years..........Help
> >Cecil
> >> >Help......Thanks for any help in advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer
> >> >
> >> >- --part1_91.479f242.276d084f_boundary
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> >> ><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Hello everyone,
> >> > Heres my problem,perhaps you can offer a
> >> >solution. I have <BR>a large fishroom with between 50 and 80
> >> >tanks.For at least 15 years ,I have <BR>used a air compessor made by
> >> >Thomas Industries for my source of air for my <BR>tanks,as of last
> >> >night it decided to go to the great mechanical home in the
> >> ><BR>sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with brass valves and saddles
> >> >,like many pet <BR>store set ups. Now I need a new compessor,I tried
> >> >repairing it last night and <BR>that didn't work.The old comp. may
> >> >be able to be rebuilt as a backup,perhaps <BR>by Thomas which was
> >> >located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that the fish
> >> ><BR>have no air now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in
> >> >obtaining a <BR>new one with a similar capacity is very important. I
> >> >looked at petwhse .com <BR>,but they don't give any specs on the
> >> >number of tanks that can be run off of <BR>a particular blower or
> >> >air comp.!
> >> >!
> >> >,nor do the say whether this unit is <BR>compatible with 3/4 in
> >> >pipe. I need something within the week just for my <BR>sanity
> >> >and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise is driving me
> >> ><BR>crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20
> >> >years..........Help Cecil <BR>Help......Thanks for any help in
> >> >advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer</FONT></HTML>
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:29:50 -0500
> >> >From: "Joe Bulterman" <jbulterman at earthlink_net>
> >> >Subject: RE: Problems in air pump land
> >> >
> >> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >I use Alita's model 80 and like it very much...
> >> >
> >> >http://www.alita.com/airpump/al4680.html
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> >Behalf
> >> >Of PARANORke at aol_com
> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 1:03 PM
> >> > To: KillieTalk at aka_org
> >> > Cc: PARANORke at aol_com
> >> > Subject: Problems in air pump land
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello everyone, Heres my problem,perhaps you can offer a
solution.
> >I
> >> >have
> >> > a large fishroom with between 50 and 80 tanks.For at least 15
years ,I
> >> >have
> >> > used a air compessor made by Thomas Industries for my source of
air
> >for my
> >> > tanks,as of last night it decided to go to the great mechanical
home
> >in
> >> >the
> >> > sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with brass valves and saddles ,like
many
> >pet
> >> > store set ups. Now I need a new compessor,I tried repairing it
last
> >night
> >> >and
> >> > that didn't work.The old comp. may be able to be rebuilt as a
> >> >backup,perhaps
> >> > by Thomas which was located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is
that
> >the
> >> >fish
> >> > have no air now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in
> >obtaining
> >> >a
> >> > new one with a similar capacity is very important. I looked at
petwhse
> >> >.com
> >> > ,but they don't give any specs on the number of tanks that can be
run
> >off
> >> >of
> >> > a particular blower or air comp.! ! ,nor do the say whether this
unit
> >is
> >> > compatible with 3/4 in pipe. I need something within the week
just
> >for my
> >> > sanity and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise is
driving
> >me
> >> > crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20
> >years..........Help
> >> >Cecil
> >> > Help......Thanks for any help in advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer
> >> >
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> >> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >> >
> >> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >> ><HTML><HEAD>
> >> ><DEFANGED_META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> >> ><DEFANGED_META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600"
name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>
> >> ><BODY>
> >> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D620162920-16122000><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff
> >=
> >> >size=3D2>I use=20
> >> >Alita's model 80 and like it very much...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D620162920-16122000><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff
> >=
> >> >
> >> >size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> >> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D620162920-16122000><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff
> >=
> >> >size=3D2><A=20
> >>
>
>>href=3D"http://www.alita.com/airpump/al4680.html">http://www.alita.com/ai=
> >> >rpump/al4680.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> >> ><BLOCKQUOTE>
> >> > <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
> >> >face=3DTahoma=20
> >> > size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
> >> >owner-killietalk at aka_org=20
> >> > [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]<B>On Behalf Of=20
> >> > </B>PARANORke at aol_com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 16, 2000
1:03
> >=
> >> >
> >> > PM<BR><B>To:</B> KillieTalk at aka_org<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
> >> > PARANORke at aol_com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Problems in air pump=20
> >> > land<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
> >> >size=3D2>Hello=20
> >> > everyone, Heres my problem,perhaps you can
=
> >> >offer a=20
> >> > solution. I have <BR>a large fishroom with between 50 and 80
tanks.For
> >=
> >> >at=20
> >> > least 15 years ,I have <BR>used a air compessor made by Thomas =
> >> >Industries for=20
> >> > my source of air for my <BR>tanks,as of last night it decided to
go to
> >=
> >> >the=20
> >> > great mechanical home in the <BR>sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc
with =
> >> >brass=20
> >> > valves and saddles ,like many pet <BR>store set ups. Now I need a
> >new=20
> >> > compessor,I tried repairing it last night and <BR>that didn't
work.The
> >=
> >> >old=20
> >> > comp. may be able to be rebuilt as a backup,perhaps <BR>by Thomas
=
> >> >which was=20
> >> > located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that the fish =
> >> ><BR>have no air=20
> >> > now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in obtaining a =
> >> ><BR>new one=20
> >> > with a similar capacity is very important. I looked at petwhse
.com =
> >> ><BR>,but=20
> >> > they don't give any specs on the number of tanks that can be run
off =
> >> >of <BR>a=20
> >> > particular blower or air comp.! ! ,nor do the say whether this
unit is
> >=
> >> >
> >> > <BR>compatible with 3/4 in pipe. I need something within the
=
> >> >week just=20
> >> > for my <BR>sanity and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble
noise =
> >> >is=20
> >> > driving me <BR>crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over
20=20
> >> > years..........Help Cecil <BR>Help......Thanks for any help in=20
> >> > advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer</FONT> =
> >> ></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >> >
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