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Re: Maintaining shoe boxes of fry
Simple I only use mops That darn peat clogs up my sump pump when I use it.
If I do I just treat the fry in the same manner as the rest pour it all into
a big net ant change the water until I add them to a tank then the fish are
netted out as needed when they are large enough to catch.
Al Anderson
killiman at indy_net
317 253 2170
317 466 1615 FAX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles n Sue Harrison" <csharrison at primary_net>
To: <KillieTalk at aka_org>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Maintaining shoe boxes of fry
> Hello Al,
> Just a short question about drying the peat a second time
> after a hatch. How do you separate the fry and peat? It sounds like
> the Problems in air pump land are a thing of the past for you.
>
> Charles Harrison
>
>
>
> >KillieTalk Digest Sunday, December 17 2000 Volume 03 : Number
773
> >
> >
> >
> >In this issue:
> >
> > Re: Air Pump Problems
> > MAKA Meeting
> >
> >See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
> >KillieTalk mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:50:31 -0500
> >From: "Al Anderson" <killiman at indy_net>
> >Subject: Re: Air Pump Problems
> >
> >Charles if you set up a system with drilled tanks you can just add the
water
> >to one tank and it will go into all of them. I have around 250 gallons
that
> >I add 30 gallons a day of RO water to. In the shoe boxes I just dump the
> >fish in a small mesh net and rinse out the box and fill it with water
from
> >the system. I add about 4 table spoons of salt per 30 gallons. The fry
grow
> >fast land seem to take to the daily 100 percent water changes. This
morning
> >I changed the water in 15 boxes in just under 3 min. I keep snails and
ricca
> >and frog bite in all of the boxes. The shoe boxes have up to 35 1/2 "
fish
> >in them.
> >
> >Al Anderson
> >killiman at indy_net
> >317 253 2170
> >317 466 1615 FAX
> >- ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles n Sue Harrison" <csharrison at primary_net>
> >To: <KillieTalk at aka_org>
> >Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:12 PM
> >Subject: Re: Air Pump Problems
> >
> >
> >> Hello Air Pump Users,
> >> Although I have maintained continuous air movement in most
> >> all my tanks it is not truly necessary as long as to water is fresh
> >> and you don't over feed. Snails do help. I keep a small vibrator pump
> >> around just for the brine shrimp hatchers just in case of Pump
> >> Failure.
> >>
> >> Back to change some more water
> >> Charles Harrison
> >>
> >>
> >> > Problems in air pump land
> >> > RE: Problems in air pump land
> >> >
> >> >See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
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> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:33:09 -0300
> >> >From: Juan Olcese <olcese at internet_siscotel.com>
> >> >Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #770
> >> >
> >> >Hi Fellows:
> >> >In January second week my last son trip to New York to take his
> >> >vacations
> >> >there .I'm interest if any can help me,because I need buy some Bettas
> >> >Halfmoon
> >> >males and females.Durings his holidays he stay in Manhattan area.
> >> >Regards
> >> >Juan Olcese
> >> >Buenos Aires
> >> >Argentina
> >> >
> >> >KillieTalk Digest wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> KillieTalk Digest Saturday, December 16 2000 Volume 03 :
> >Number 770
> >> >>
> >> >> In this issue:
> >> >>
> >> >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> > > >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> > > >> Cyprinodon eremus.
> > > >>
> > > >> See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from
the
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> >> >>
> >>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:37:53 -0500
> > > >> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <moylan at emi_net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus at hotmail_com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > This evolutionary "cheater" strategy is surprisingly widespread.
One
> >of
> >> >> the
> >> >> > best studied examples of this strategy of smaller males
achieving
> >> >> > reproductive success at the cost of larger, territorial males is
> >with the
> >> >> > blueheaded wrasse on reefs in the eastern Pacific. Large males
> >defend
> >> >> > territory, and as they spawn with females, smaller males who
appear
> >to be
> >> >> > females will rush in, release sperm, and often account for
20-30% of
> >the
> > > >> > resulting fry. There's the extra twist here of sequential
> >hermaphroditism;
> > > >> > when a dominant male dies, he's succeeded by a female who
develops
> >alpha
> >> >> > male physiology and behavior, and _becomes_ the alpha male. The
> >secondary
> >> >> > males are _true_ males but never become primaries.
> >> >> >
> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >>
> >> >> I once had a female marble betta who spawned well,
generally
> >over
> >> >> 300 eggs per spawn. Then I didn't use her for a couple of months.
> >She was
> >> >> kept in a group tank with a bunch of females. During that time
her
> >fins
> >> >> grew a lot. I finally set her up with another male and they
started
> >to
> >> >> fight like crazy! I was shocked to realize that she had changed
into
> >a
> >> >> male! I then spawned her with a female successfully. I
eventually
> >spawned
> >> >> two fry- one of which she/he mothered, and one she/he fathered!
> >Pretty
> >> >> cool! No errors. Definitely one fish that underwent a sex
change.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jay Moylan
> >> >>
> >> >> - ---------------
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> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:51:06 -0500
> >> >> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <moylan at emi_net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >>
> >> >> Apologies to those who dislike the keeping of a whole string of
ideas
> >> >> together.
> >> >>
> >> >> Doug,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm afraid I'm still not completely clear on a couple of
your
> >points
> >> >> below. It makes perfect sense from a betta breeders point of
view.
> >The
> >> >> goal there is to take one desirable (breeder's desire) pair of
fish
> >and fix
> >> >> a set of genes to consistently produce a particular strain. In
that
> >case to
> >> >> dilute the genes with another male's is bad. I thought with
killies
> >our
> >> >> goal is try and preserve a group's diversity. It seems that
keeping
> >some of
> >> > > the B male's genes going would be a good thing. Fish A might not
> >possess
> >> >> all the genes we wish to preserve. Of course, the limited
population
> >we can
> >> >> keep pretty much forces the breeders to make selections anyway,
and
> >> >> guarantees loss of diversity. Many select for color or size of
fins,
> >etc.
> >> >> so our preferences for appearance supercede nature's. I agree
that
> >gang
> >> >> spawning seems the least bad compromise and is my preference when
I
> >can do
> >> >> so as well. Thanks for the lessons.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jay Moylan
> >> >>
> >> >> - ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
> >> >> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:11 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hey, Jay,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sure! The important bit is that if you have a lot of AX
offspring
> >> >> already,
> >> >> > BX's will contribute more than other AX's since they're
redundant.
> >> >> > Whichever is the rarer type will contribute more. Think about
it
> >from the
> >> >> > point of view of what proportion of genes from each of the
parents
> >are
> >> >> > retained in the next generation. Just to keep the argument
> >intelligible,
> >> >> > let's assume both the females reproduce equally, so we can focus
on
> >the
> >> >> > males. On average the females will leave two offspring each
(Unless
> >the
> >> >> > tank space is continuously expanding over the protests of
spouses
> >who have
> >> >> > to now keep their sweaters in the unheated garage ;-).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For the sake of argument, let's stay with 2 offspring each.
Let's
> >say
> >> >> male
> >> >> > A has his first offspring (A1). He will contribute half his
genes
> >(one
> >> >> > copy of each of the thousands of genes the species has) to the
first
> >> >> > offspring. Total genes of his retained: 1/2 of his genome (one
> >copy of
> >> >> > each gene).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The second offspring will also have half his genes, but since
they
> >come at
> >> >> > random, half the genes A passes on to the second offspring (A2)
will
> >be
> >> >> the
> >> >> > same ones he passed on to A1, so only half of the genes in A2
are
> >genes
> >> >> > that would have been lost if A hadn't had the second offspring.
> >Total
> >> >> > retained in A1 and A2: 3/4 of A's genes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The third offspring will also retain 1/2 A's genome, but 3/4 of
that
> >half
> >> >> > are copies found in A1 and A2 as well, so the part of A's genome
> >that A3
> >> >> > preserves uniques amounts only to 1/8 of A's genome. Total saved
7/8
> >of
> >> >> A's
> >> >> > genome. As you can see trying to keep a copy of every single
on
> >of A's
> >> >> > genes becomes very hard.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Since we're limited in the total number of offspring that we can
> >keep,
> >> >> that
> >> >> > third offspring comes at the expense of B having a second
offspring.
> >> >> Thus,
> >> >> > A gets 3 offspring retaining 7/8 of A's genes, but now B gets
only 1
> >so
> >> >> > only 1/2 of his genes are preserved. In order to get 1/8 of A's
> >genes we
> >> >> > gave up 1/4 of B's.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The general priniciple is that the more variation there is among
the
> >> >> > numbers of offspring among individuals the faster genes are
lost.
> >It gets
> >> >> > more complicated than that, for sure, when you start keeping
track
> >of the
> >> >> > differing amounts relatedness among individuals (for example, A1
and
> >A2
> >> >> > have one quarter of their genes in common because of their
common
> >sire,
> >> >> > while A1 and B1 have none, so breeding A1 and B1 is better than
A1
> >and A2,
> >> >> > but you knew that!).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is also the important Wright principle that if wild
killies
> >are
> >> >> > totally inbred none of this matters. In that case, A and B are
> >> >> genetically
> >> >> > identical, so it doesn't matter who mates with whom since there
> >aren't any
> >> >> > different versions to retain. Every individual has all the
genes of
> >the
> >> >> > entire population. This takes a long time, and it takes very
little
> >gene
> >> >> > flow to prevent it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The issue you raise about gene combinations (i.e. AX, AY, BX,BY
> >stuff) is
> >> >> > actually cutting edge genetics, but it may not be so important
to
> >simply
> >> >> > retaining as many versions of genes as possible. Of course, for
the
> >super
> >> >> > hyper types, the way to go would be to breed both males with
both
> >females
> >> >> > so you have known parentage and keep one offspring from each
cross.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It should be noted that I gang spawn my fish! Of course,
they're
> >all sibs
> >> > > > (i.e. very similar) and I'm not a serious large scale breeder.
I
> >am only
> >> >> > really paying attention to output from a single species right
now.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I hope I haven't offended anyone here, but I'm sure I have
somehow.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Doug
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >Doug,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I know you have more training by far than I do in
genetics.
> >I am
> >> >> > >not fully following the math here on the loss of diversity.
So,
> >I'm
> >> >> asking
> >> >> > >for a bit more clarification. If I have a group consisting of
> >males A
> >> >> and B
> >> >> > >and females X and Y and A is dominant, then we would
intuitively
> >expect B
> >> >> to
> >> >> > >be unsuccessful in passing on his genes. All offspring from
the
> >group
> >> >> would
> >> >> > >be either AX or AY genetically. If B is sneaky enough to get
his
> >genes
> >> >> into
> >> >> > >the mix, then some fry would be BX and BY and some would still
be
> >AX and
> >> >> AY.
> >> >> > >To me that looks like an increase in genetic diversity. It
also
> >seems
> >> >> that
> >> >> > >if the pairs are separated into two tanks, A with X and B with
Y,
> >then
> >> >> the
> >> >> > >offspring will be limited to AX and BY. This also seems like a
> >loss of
> >> >> > >total genetic diversity. Can you more fully explain how this
is
> >actually
> >> >> > >not true, and results in less genetic diversity? Thanks.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Jay Moylan
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > >From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
> >> >> > >To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> >> >> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:17 AM
> >> >> > >Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > I stand by what I said about the unexpectedly high
> >success
> >> >> rate
> >> >> > >of
> >> >> > >> >non-dominant males in the spawning of many species. Some
> >species have
> >> >> > >> >25-50% success by non-dominant males in species with clearly
> >dominant
> >> >> > >alpha
> > > >> > >> >males who violently repell competitors
> >> >> > >> >Jay Moylan
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> More than you'd expect, as in more than zero. The simple
fact
> >remains
> >> >> > >that
> >> >> > >> gangspawning where some of the males are getting only 50% of
> >their
> >> >> share
> >> >> > >> means that you are losing the genetic diversity quite a bit
> >faster than
> >> >> if
> >> >> > >> you bred them individually.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Doug
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Doug Karpa-Wilson
> >> >> > >> Department of Biology
> >> >> > >> Indiana University
> >> >> > >> Jordan Hall
> >> >> > >> 1001 E. 3rd St.
> >> >> > >> Bloomington, IN 47405
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> ---------------
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> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >---------------
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Doug Karpa Wilson
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Department of Biology
> >> >> > Jordan Hall
> >> >> > Indiana University
> >> >> > Bloomington, IN 47405
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ---------------
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> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> - ---------------
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> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:56:04 -0500
> >> >> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <moylan at emi_net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> >> >>
> >> >> Doug,
> >> >>
> >> >> That was a great description of genetic/environmental
> >interaction
> >> >> you wrote.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jay
> >> >>
> >> >> - ---------------
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> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:06:39 -0500
> >> >> From: "Doug Dame" <dameda at shands_ufl.edu>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for those kind words. I was about to think it just
> >> >>disappeared into the void without even an echo. I think it genetic
> >> >>diversity in the fishroom is a topic we all really need to learn
> >> >>and understand much more about,, cause it seems to be something we
> >> >>kinda understand in an abstract way, but we're clueless about what
> >> >>if anything we could do different or better. Bill Vannerson
> >> >>periodically stirs a stick in it just to provoke some dialogue, but
> >> >>it doesn't last long ... which kinda suggests interest is low.
> >> >>
> >> >> But after writing that, I got pretty excited about the topic ... I
> >> >>wrote myself 5 ? pages of stream of consciousness thoughts
> >> >>afterwards ... and I'm seriously considering writing an article or
> >> >>two on the subject for JAKA, if they're interested. It's not like
> >> >>I really know much about the subject though, so I'll have to do
> >> >>some review of current literature in the field if it's going to be
> >> >>credible.
> >> > >
> >> >> Later
> >> >>
> >> >> d.d.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>> moylan at emi_net Friday, December 15, 2000 7:56:04 PM >>>
> >> >> Doug,
> >> >>
> >> >> That was a great description of genetic/environmental
> >interaction
> >> >> you wrote.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jay
> >> >>
> >> >> - ---------------
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> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:38:45 +0100
> >> >> From: "Martin Ravn Tversted" <martinrt at email_dk>
> >> >> Subject: Cyprinodon eremus.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi again.
> >> >> I think I have made a mistake.
> >> >> When I first got the fishes it was my understanding that it was a
> >> >>brackish water species, and I threated it that way. But I
> >> >>misunderstood what I was told. Fortunately the fishes didnt care
> >> >>about what kind of water thay were in and they were breeding with
> >> >>succes. I then changed the conditions to freshwater and they
> >> >>accepted that too.
> >> >>
> >> >> So this just proved that the species are hardy and suitable to
> >> >>adapt themselves to different kinds of conditions.
> > > >> This is a little away from what Nonn started to ask about, but I
> >> >>thought I would correct myself.
> > > >>
> >> >> And now I hear that the species is to be called Cyprinodon eremus.
> >> >>Thank you for that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Martin Tversted
> >> >>
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> >> >------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:38:51 EST
> >> >From: SRosendorf at aol_com
> >> >Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> >> >
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> >> >The whole stream of comments and discussions has been fascinating. If
> >nothing
> >> >else we should (even with Bettas) avoid too much & too concentrating
> >> >inbreeding. For one thing, the Rosendorf rule is that in any
controlled
> >> >breeding program anything you don't specifically select for will go
bad.
> >> >StanR
> >> >
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> >> ><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>The whole stream of
> >> >comments and discussions has been fascinating. If nothing <BR>else
> >> >we should (even with Bettas) avoid too much & too concentrating
> >> ><BR>inbreeding. For one thing, the Rosendorf rule is that in
> >> >any controlled <BR>breeding program anything you don't specifically
> >> >select for will go bad.
> >> ><BR>StanR</FONT></HTML>
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:54:53 EST
> >> >From: SRosendorf at aol_com
> >> >Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #770
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >Dear Juan,
> >> >I would contact someone with IBC. The best # I can come up with is
for
> >Mike
> >> >Arsuaga at email: leondegranz at aol_com who certainly should be able to
> >point
> >> >you in the right direction. He has been the consistant champion in
the
> >Betta
> >> >competitions in the last several yrs. I can't do better because I'm
just
> >a
> >> >recent retread.
> >> >Lots of good luck and please keep me posted at srosendorf at aol_com.
> >> >StanR
> >> >
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> >> ><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Dear Juan,
> >> ><BR>I would contact someone with IBC. The best # I can come up
> >> >with is for Mike <BR>Arsuaga at email: leondegranz at aol_com who
> >> >certainly should be able to point <BR>you in the right direction. He
> >> >has been the consistant champion in the Betta <BR>competitions in
> >> >the last several yrs. I can't do better because I'm just a
> >> ><BR>recent retread.
> >> ><BR>Lots of good luck and please keep me posted at
srosendorf at aol_com.
> >> ><BR>StanR</FONT></HTML>
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:02:55 EST
> >> >From: PARANORke at aol_com
> > > >Subject: Problems in air pump land
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >Hello everyone, Heres my problem,perhaps you can offer a
solution. I
> >have
> >> >a large fishroom with between 50 and 80 tanks.For at least 15 years
,I
> >have
> >> >used a air compessor made by Thomas Industries for my source of air
for
> >my
> >> >tanks,as of last night it decided to go to the great mechanical home
in
> >the
> >> >sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with brass valves and saddles ,like
many
> >pet
> >> >store set ups. Now I need a new compessor,I tried repairing it last
night
> >and
> >> >that didn't work.The old comp. may be able to be rebuilt as a
> >backup,perhaps
> >> >by Thomas which was located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that
the
> >fish
> >> >have no air now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in
> >obtaining a
> >> >new one with a similar capacity is very important. I looked at
petwhse
> >.com
> >> >,but they don't give any specs on the number of tanks that can be run
off
> >of
> >> >a particular blower or air comp.,nor do the say whether this unit is
> >> >compatible with 3/4 in pipe. I need something within the week just
for
> >my
> >> >sanity and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise is driving
me
> >> >crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20
years..........Help
> >Cecil
> >> >Help......Thanks for any help in advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer
> >> >
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> >> ><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Hello everyone,
> >> > Heres my problem,perhaps you can offer a
> >> >solution. I have <BR>a large fishroom with between 50 and 80
> >> >tanks.For at least 15 years ,I have <BR>used a air compessor made by
> >> >Thomas Industries for my source of air for my <BR>tanks,as of last
> >> >night it decided to go to the great mechanical home in the
> >> ><BR>sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with brass valves and saddles
> >> >,like many pet <BR>store set ups. Now I need a new compessor,I tried
> >> >repairing it last night and <BR>that didn't work.The old comp. may
> >> >be able to be rebuilt as a backup,perhaps <BR>by Thomas which was
> >> >located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that the fish
> >> ><BR>have no air now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in
> >> >obtaining a <BR>new one with a similar capacity is very important. I
> >> >looked at petwhse .com <BR>,but they don't give any specs on the
> >> >number of tanks that can be run off of <BR>a particular blower or
> >> >air comp.!
> >> >!
> >> >,nor do the say whether this unit is <BR>compatible with 3/4 in
> >> >pipe. I need something within the week just for my <BR>sanity
> >> >and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise is driving me
> >> ><BR>crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20
> >> >years..........Help Cecil <BR>Help......Thanks for any help in
> >> >advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer</FONT></HTML>
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:29:50 -0500
> >> >From: "Joe Bulterman" <jbulterman at earthlink_net>
> >> >Subject: RE: Problems in air pump land
> >> >
> >> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >I use Alita's model 80 and like it very much...
> >> >
> >> >http://www.alita.com/airpump/al4680.html
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> >Behalf
> >> >Of PARANORke at aol_com
> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 1:03 PM
> >> > To: KillieTalk at aka_org
> >> > Cc: PARANORke at aol_com
> >> > Subject: Problems in air pump land
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello everyone, Heres my problem,perhaps you can offer a
solution.
> >I
> >> >have
> >> > a large fishroom with between 50 and 80 tanks.For at least 15
years ,I
> >> >have
> >> > used a air compessor made by Thomas Industries for my source of
air
> >for my
> >> > tanks,as of last night it decided to go to the great mechanical
home
> >in
> >> >the
> >> > sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with brass valves and saddles ,like
many
> >pet
> >> > store set ups. Now I need a new compessor,I tried repairing it
last
> >night
> >> >and
> >> > that didn't work.The old comp. may be able to be rebuilt as a
> >> >backup,perhaps
> >> > by Thomas which was located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is
that
> >the
> >> >fish
> >> > have no air now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in
> >obtaining
> >> >a
> >> > new one with a similar capacity is very important. I looked at
petwhse
> >> >.com
> >> > ,but they don't give any specs on the number of tanks that can be
run
> >off
> >> >of
> >> > a particular blower or air comp.! ! ,nor do the say whether this
unit
> >is
> >> > compatible with 3/4 in pipe. I need something within the week
just
> >for my
> >> > sanity and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise is
driving
> >me
> >> > crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20
> >years..........Help
> >> >Cecil
> >> > Help......Thanks for any help in advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer
> >> >
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> >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >> >
> >> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >> ><HTML><HEAD>
> >> ><DEFANGED_META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> >> ><DEFANGED_META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600"
name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>
> >> ><BODY>
> >> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D620162920-16122000><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff
> >=
> >> >size=3D2>I use=20
> >> >Alita's model 80 and like it very much...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D620162920-16122000><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff
> >=
> >> >
> >> >size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> >> ><DIV><SPAN class=3D620162920-16122000><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff
> >=
> >> >size=3D2><A=20
> >>
>
>>href=3D"http://www.alita.com/airpump/al4680.html">http://www.alita.com/ai=
> >> >rpump/al4680.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> >> ><BLOCKQUOTE>
> >> > <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
> >> >face=3DTahoma=20
> >> > size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
> >> >owner-killietalk at aka_org=20
> >> > [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]<B>On Behalf Of=20
> >> > </B>PARANORke at aol_com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 16, 2000
1:03
> >=
> >> >
> >> > PM<BR><B>To:</B> KillieTalk at aka_org<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
> >> > PARANORke at aol_com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Problems in air pump=20
> >> > land<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
> >> >size=3D2>Hello=20
> >> > everyone, Heres my problem,perhaps you can
=
> >> >offer a=20
> >> > solution. I have <BR>a large fishroom with between 50 and 80
tanks.For
> >=
> >> >at=20
> >> > least 15 years ,I have <BR>used a air compessor made by Thomas =
> >> >Industries for=20
> >> > my source of air for my <BR>tanks,as of last night it decided to
go to
> >=
> >> >the=20
> >> > great mechanical home in the <BR>sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc
with =
> >> >brass=20
> >> > valves and saddles ,like many pet <BR>store set ups. Now I need a
> >new=20
> >> > compessor,I tried repairing it last night and <BR>that didn't
work.The
> >=
> >> >old=20
> >> > comp. may be able to be rebuilt as a backup,perhaps <BR>by Thomas
=
> >> >which was=20
> >> > located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that the fish =
> >> ><BR>have no air=20
> >> > now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in obtaining a =
> >> ><BR>new one=20
> >> > with a similar capacity is very important. I looked at petwhse
.com =
> >> ><BR>,but=20
> >> > they don't give any specs on the number of tanks that can be run
off =
> >> >of <BR>a=20
> >> > particular blower or air comp.! ! ,nor do the say whether this
unit is
> >=
> >> >
> >> > <BR>compatible with 3/4 in pipe. I need something within the
=
> >> >week just=20
> >> > for my <BR>sanity and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble
noise =
> >> >is=20
> >> > driving me <BR>crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over
20=20
> >> > years..........Help Cecil <BR>Help......Thanks for any help in=20
> >> > advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer</FONT> =
> >> ></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >> >
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