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Re: Maintaining shoe boxes of fry
- To: KillieTalk at aka_org
- Subject: Re: Maintaining shoe boxes of fry
- From: Charles n Sue Harrison <csharrison at primary_net>
- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:54:13 -0600
- In-Reply-To: <200012171028.FAA17519 at actwin_com>
- References: <200012171028.FAA17519 at actwin_com>
Hello Al,
Just a short question about drying the peat a second time
after a hatch. How do you separate the fry and peat? It sounds like
the Problems in air pump land are a thing of the past for you.
Charles Harrison
>KillieTalk Digest Sunday, December 17 2000 Volume 03 : Number 773
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
> Re: Air Pump Problems
> MAKA Meeting
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>Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:50:31 -0500
>From: "Al Anderson" <killiman at indy_net>
>Subject: Re: Air Pump Problems
>
>Charles if you set up a system with drilled tanks you can just add the water
>to one tank and it will go into all of them. I have around 250 gallons that
>I add 30 gallons a day of RO water to. In the shoe boxes I just dump the
>fish in a small mesh net and rinse out the box and fill it with water from
>the system. I add about 4 table spoons of salt per 30 gallons. The fry grow
>fast land seem to take to the daily 100 percent water changes. This morning
>I changed the water in 15 boxes in just under 3 min. I keep snails and ricca
>and frog bite in all of the boxes. The shoe boxes have up to 35 1/2 " fish
>in them.
>
>Al Anderson
>killiman at indy_net
>317 253 2170
>317 466 1615 FAX
>- ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charles n Sue Harrison" <csharrison at primary_net>
>To: <KillieTalk at aka_org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 4:12 PM
>Subject: Re: Air Pump Problems
>
>
>> Hello Air Pump Users,
>> Although I have maintained continuous air movement in most
>> all my tanks it is not truly necessary as long as to water is fresh
>> and you don't over feed. Snails do help. I keep a small vibrator pump
>> around just for the brine shrimp hatchers just in case of Pump
>> Failure.
>>
>> Back to change some more water
>> Charles Harrison
>>
>>
>> > Problems in air pump land
>> > RE: Problems in air pump land
>> >
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>> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:33:09 -0300
>> >From: Juan Olcese <olcese at internet_siscotel.com>
>> >Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #770
>> >
>> >Hi Fellows:
>> >In January second week my last son trip to New York to take his
>> >vacations
>> >there .I'm interest if any can help me,because I need buy some Bettas
>> >Halfmoon
>> >males and females.Durings his holidays he stay in Manhattan area.
>> >Regards
>> >Juan Olcese
>> >Buenos Aires
>> >Argentina
>> >
>> >KillieTalk Digest wrote:
>> >
>> >> KillieTalk Digest Saturday, December 16 2000 Volume 03 :
>Number 770
>> >>
>> >> In this issue:
>> >>
>> >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
>> >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
>> >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> > >> Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
> > >> Cyprinodon eremus.
> > >>
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>> >>
>> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:37:53 -0500
> > >> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <moylan at emi_net>
>> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
>> >>
>> >> "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus at hotmail_com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > This evolutionary "cheater" strategy is surprisingly widespread. One
>of
>> >> the
>> >> > best studied examples of this strategy of smaller males achieving
>> >> > reproductive success at the cost of larger, territorial males is
>with the
>> >> > blueheaded wrasse on reefs in the eastern Pacific. Large males
>defend
>> >> > territory, and as they spawn with females, smaller males who appear
>to be
>> >> > females will rush in, release sperm, and often account for 20-30% of
>the
> > >> > resulting fry. There's the extra twist here of sequential
>hermaphroditism;
> > >> > when a dominant male dies, he's succeeded by a female who develops
>alpha
>> >> > male physiology and behavior, and _becomes_ the alpha male. The
>secondary
>> >> > males are _true_ males but never become primaries.
>> >> >
>> >> ________________________________
>> >>
>> >> I once had a female marble betta who spawned well, generally
>over
>> >> 300 eggs per spawn. Then I didn't use her for a couple of months.
>She was
>> >> kept in a group tank with a bunch of females. During that time her
>fins
>> >> grew a lot. I finally set her up with another male and they started
>to
>> >> fight like crazy! I was shocked to realize that she had changed into
>a
>> >> male! I then spawned her with a female successfully. I eventually
>spawned
>> >> two fry- one of which she/he mothered, and one she/he fathered!
>Pretty
>> >> cool! No errors. Definitely one fish that underwent a sex change.
>> >>
>> >> Jay Moylan
>> >>
>> >> - ---------------
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>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:51:06 -0500
>> >> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <moylan at emi_net>
>> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
>> >>
>> >> Apologies to those who dislike the keeping of a whole string of ideas
>> >> together.
>> >>
>> >> Doug,
>> >>
>> >> I'm afraid I'm still not completely clear on a couple of your
>points
>> >> below. It makes perfect sense from a betta breeders point of view.
>The
>> >> goal there is to take one desirable (breeder's desire) pair of fish
>and fix
>> >> a set of genes to consistently produce a particular strain. In that
>case to
>> >> dilute the genes with another male's is bad. I thought with killies
>our
>> >> goal is try and preserve a group's diversity. It seems that keeping
>some of
>> > > the B male's genes going would be a good thing. Fish A might not
>possess
>> >> all the genes we wish to preserve. Of course, the limited population
>we can
>> >> keep pretty much forces the breeders to make selections anyway, and
>> >> guarantees loss of diversity. Many select for color or size of fins,
>etc.
>> >> so our preferences for appearance supercede nature's. I agree that
>gang
>> >> spawning seems the least bad compromise and is my preference when I
>can do
>> >> so as well. Thanks for the lessons.
>> >>
>> >> Jay Moylan
>> >>
>> >> - ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
>> >> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:11 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
>> >>
>> >> > Hey, Jay,
>> >> >
>> >> > Sure! The important bit is that if you have a lot of AX offspring
>> >> already,
>> >> > BX's will contribute more than other AX's since they're redundant.
>> >> > Whichever is the rarer type will contribute more. Think about it
>from the
>> >> > point of view of what proportion of genes from each of the parents
>are
>> >> > retained in the next generation. Just to keep the argument
>intelligible,
>> >> > let's assume both the females reproduce equally, so we can focus on
>the
>> >> > males. On average the females will leave two offspring each (Unless
>the
>> >> > tank space is continuously expanding over the protests of spouses
>who have
>> >> > to now keep their sweaters in the unheated garage ;-).
>> >> >
>> >> > For the sake of argument, let's stay with 2 offspring each. Let's
>say
>> >> male
>> >> > A has his first offspring (A1). He will contribute half his genes
>(one
>> >> > copy of each of the thousands of genes the species has) to the first
>> >> > offspring. Total genes of his retained: 1/2 of his genome (one
>copy of
>> >> > each gene).
>> >> >
>> >> > The second offspring will also have half his genes, but since they
>come at
>> >> > random, half the genes A passes on to the second offspring (A2) will
>be
>> >> the
>> >> > same ones he passed on to A1, so only half of the genes in A2 are
>genes
>> >> > that would have been lost if A hadn't had the second offspring.
>Total
>> >> > retained in A1 and A2: 3/4 of A's genes.
>> >> >
>> >> > The third offspring will also retain 1/2 A's genome, but 3/4 of that
>half
>> >> > are copies found in A1 and A2 as well, so the part of A's genome
>that A3
>> >> > preserves uniques amounts only to 1/8 of A's genome. Total saved 7/8
>of
>> >> A's
>> >> > genome. As you can see trying to keep a copy of every single on
>of A's
>> >> > genes becomes very hard.
>> >> >
>> >> > Since we're limited in the total number of offspring that we can
>keep,
>> >> that
>> >> > third offspring comes at the expense of B having a second offspring.
>> >> Thus,
>> >> > A gets 3 offspring retaining 7/8 of A's genes, but now B gets only 1
>so
>> >> > only 1/2 of his genes are preserved. In order to get 1/8 of A's
>genes we
>> >> > gave up 1/4 of B's.
>> >> >
>> >> > The general priniciple is that the more variation there is among the
>> >> > numbers of offspring among individuals the faster genes are lost.
>It gets
>> >> > more complicated than that, for sure, when you start keeping track
>of the
>> >> > differing amounts relatedness among individuals (for example, A1 and
>A2
>> >> > have one quarter of their genes in common because of their common
>sire,
>> >> > while A1 and B1 have none, so breeding A1 and B1 is better than A1
>and A2,
>> >> > but you knew that!).
>> >> >
>> >> > There is also the important Wright principle that if wild killies
>are
>> >> > totally inbred none of this matters. In that case, A and B are
>> >> genetically
>> >> > identical, so it doesn't matter who mates with whom since there
>aren't any
>> >> > different versions to retain. Every individual has all the genes of
>the
>> >> > entire population. This takes a long time, and it takes very little
>gene
>> >> > flow to prevent it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The issue you raise about gene combinations (i.e. AX, AY, BX,BY
>stuff) is
>> >> > actually cutting edge genetics, but it may not be so important to
>simply
>> >> > retaining as many versions of genes as possible. Of course, for the
>super
>> >> > hyper types, the way to go would be to breed both males with both
>females
>> >> > so you have known parentage and keep one offspring from each cross.
>> >> >
>> >> > It should be noted that I gang spawn my fish! Of course, they're
>all sibs
>> > > > (i.e. very similar) and I'm not a serious large scale breeder. I
>am only
>> >> > really paying attention to output from a single species right now.
>> >> >
>> >> > I hope I haven't offended anyone here, but I'm sure I have somehow.
>> >> >
>> >> > Doug
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >Doug,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I know you have more training by far than I do in genetics.
>I am
>> >> > >not fully following the math here on the loss of diversity. So,
>I'm
>> >> asking
>> >> > >for a bit more clarification. If I have a group consisting of
>males A
>> >> and B
>> >> > >and females X and Y and A is dominant, then we would intuitively
>expect B
>> >> to
>> >> > >be unsuccessful in passing on his genes. All offspring from the
>group
>> >> would
>> >> > >be either AX or AY genetically. If B is sneaky enough to get his
>genes
>> >> into
>> >> > >the mix, then some fry would be BX and BY and some would still be
>AX and
>> >> AY.
>> >> > >To me that looks like an increase in genetic diversity. It also
>seems
>> >> that
>> >> > >if the pairs are separated into two tanks, A with X and B with Y,
>then
>> >> the
>> >> > >offspring will be limited to AX and BY. This also seems like a
>loss of
>> >> > >total genetic diversity. Can you more fully explain how this is
>actually
>> >> > >not true, and results in less genetic diversity? Thanks.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Jay Moylan
>> >> > >
>> >> > >----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >From: "Doug Karpa-Wilson" <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
>> >> > >To: <killietalk at aka_org>
>> >> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:17 AM
>> >> > >Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I stand by what I said about the unexpectedly high
>success
>> >> rate
>> >> > >of
>> >> > >> >non-dominant males in the spawning of many species. Some
>species have
>> >> > >> >25-50% success by non-dominant males in species with clearly
>dominant
>> >> > >alpha
> > >> > >> >males who violently repell competitors
>> >> > >> >Jay Moylan
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> More than you'd expect, as in more than zero. The simple fact
>remains
>> >> > >that
>> >> > >> gangspawning where some of the males are getting only 50% of
>their
>> >> share
>> >> > >> means that you are losing the genetic diversity quite a bit
>faster than
>> >> if
>> >> > >> you bred them individually.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Doug
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Doug Karpa-Wilson
>> >> > >> Department of Biology
>> >> > >> Indiana University
>> >> > >> Jordan Hall
>> >> > >> 1001 E. 3rd St.
>> >> > >> Bloomington, IN 47405
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Doug Karpa Wilson
>> >> >
>> >> > Department of Biology
>> >> > Jordan Hall
>> >> > Indiana University
>> >> > Bloomington, IN 47405
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >> >
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>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:56:04 -0500
>> >> From: "Jay-Scott Moylan" <moylan at emi_net>
>> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
>> >>
>> >> Doug,
>> >>
>> >> That was a great description of genetic/environmental
>interaction
>> >> you wrote.
>> >>
>> >> Jay
>> >>
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>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:06:39 -0500
>> >> From: "Doug Dame" <dameda at shands_ufl.edu>
>> >> Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for those kind words. I was about to think it just
>> >>disappeared into the void without even an echo. I think it genetic
>> >>diversity in the fishroom is a topic we all really need to learn
>> >>and understand much more about,, cause it seems to be something we
>> >>kinda understand in an abstract way, but we're clueless about what
>> >>if anything we could do different or better. Bill Vannerson
>> >>periodically stirs a stick in it just to provoke some dialogue, but
>> >>it doesn't last long ... which kinda suggests interest is low.
>> >>
>> >> But after writing that, I got pretty excited about the topic ... I
>> >>wrote myself 5 ? pages of stream of consciousness thoughts
>> >>afterwards ... and I'm seriously considering writing an article or
>> >>two on the subject for JAKA, if they're interested. It's not like
>> >>I really know much about the subject though, so I'll have to do
>> >>some review of current literature in the field if it's going to be
>> >>credible.
>> > >
>> >> Later
>> >>
>> >> d.d.
>> >>
>> >> >>> moylan at emi_net Friday, December 15, 2000 7:56:04 PM >>>
>> >> Doug,
>> >>
>> >> That was a great description of genetic/environmental
>interaction
>> >> you wrote.
>> >>
>> >> Jay
>> >>
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>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:38:45 +0100
>> >> From: "Martin Ravn Tversted" <martinrt at email_dk>
>> >> Subject: Cyprinodon eremus.
>> >>
>> >> Hi again.
>> >> I think I have made a mistake.
>> >> When I first got the fishes it was my understanding that it was a
>> >>brackish water species, and I threated it that way. But I
>> >>misunderstood what I was told. Fortunately the fishes didnt care
>> >>about what kind of water thay were in and they were breeding with
>> >>succes. I then changed the conditions to freshwater and they
>> >>accepted that too.
>> >>
>> >> So this just proved that the species are hardy and suitable to
>> >>adapt themselves to different kinds of conditions.
> > >> This is a little away from what Nonn started to ask about, but I
>> >>thought I would correct myself.
> > >>
>> >> And now I hear that the species is to be called Cyprinodon eremus.
>> >>Thank you for that.
>> >>
>> >> Martin Tversted
>> >>
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>> >
>> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:38:51 EST
>> >From: SRosendorf at aol_com
>> >Subject: Re: Alpha Male Breeding Success & population genetics
>> >
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>> >The whole stream of comments and discussions has been fascinating. If
>nothing
>> >else we should (even with Bettas) avoid too much & too concentrating
>> >inbreeding. For one thing, the Rosendorf rule is that in any controlled
>> >breeding program anything you don't specifically select for will go bad.
>> >StanR
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>> ><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>The whole stream of
>> >comments and discussions has been fascinating. If nothing <BR>else
>> >we should (even with Bettas) avoid too much & too concentrating
>> ><BR>inbreeding. For one thing, the Rosendorf rule is that in
>> >any controlled <BR>breeding program anything you don't specifically
>> >select for will go bad.
>> ><BR>StanR</FONT></HTML>
>> >
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>> >
>> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:54:53 EST
>> >From: SRosendorf at aol_com
>> >Subject: Re: KillieTalk Digest V3 #770
>> >
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>> >Dear Juan,
>> >I would contact someone with IBC. The best # I can come up with is for
>Mike
>> >Arsuaga at email: leondegranz at aol_com who certainly should be able to
>point
>> >you in the right direction. He has been the consistant champion in the
>Betta
>> >competitions in the last several yrs. I can't do better because I'm just
>a
>> >recent retread.
>> >Lots of good luck and please keep me posted at srosendorf at aol_com.
>> >StanR
>> >
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>> ><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Dear Juan,
>> ><BR>I would contact someone with IBC. The best # I can come up
>> >with is for Mike <BR>Arsuaga at email: leondegranz at aol_com who
>> >certainly should be able to point <BR>you in the right direction. He
>> >has been the consistant champion in the Betta <BR>competitions in
>> >the last several yrs. I can't do better because I'm just a
>> ><BR>recent retread.
>> ><BR>Lots of good luck and please keep me posted at srosendorf at aol_com.
>> ><BR>StanR</FONT></HTML>
>> >
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>> >------------------------------
>> >
>> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:02:55 EST
>> >From: PARANORke at aol_com
> > >Subject: Problems in air pump land
>> >
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>> >Hello everyone, Heres my problem,perhaps you can offer a solution. I
>have
>> >a large fishroom with between 50 and 80 tanks.For at least 15 years ,I
>have
>> >used a air compessor made by Thomas Industries for my source of air for
>my
>> >tanks,as of last night it decided to go to the great mechanical home in
>the
>> >sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with brass valves and saddles ,like many
>pet
>> >store set ups. Now I need a new compessor,I tried repairing it last night
>and
>> >that didn't work.The old comp. may be able to be rebuilt as a
>backup,perhaps
>> >by Thomas which was located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that the
>fish
>> >have no air now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in
>obtaining a
>> >new one with a similar capacity is very important. I looked at petwhse
>.com
>> >,but they don't give any specs on the number of tanks that can be run off
>of
>> >a particular blower or air comp.,nor do the say whether this unit is
>> >compatible with 3/4 in pipe. I need something within the week just for
>my
>> >sanity and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise is driving me
>> >crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20 years..........Help
>Cecil
>> >Help......Thanks for any help in advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer
>> >
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>> ><HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Hello everyone,
>> > Heres my problem,perhaps you can offer a
>> >solution. I have <BR>a large fishroom with between 50 and 80
>> >tanks.For at least 15 years ,I have <BR>used a air compessor made by
>> >Thomas Industries for my source of air for my <BR>tanks,as of last
>> >night it decided to go to the great mechanical home in the
>> ><BR>sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with brass valves and saddles
>> >,like many pet <BR>store set ups. Now I need a new compessor,I tried
>> >repairing it last night and <BR>that didn't work.The old comp. may
>> >be able to be rebuilt as a backup,perhaps <BR>by Thomas which was
>> >located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that the fish
>> ><BR>have no air now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in
>> >obtaining a <BR>new one with a similar capacity is very important. I
>> >looked at petwhse .com <BR>,but they don't give any specs on the
>> >number of tanks that can be run off of <BR>a particular blower or
>> >air comp.!
>> >!
>> >,nor do the say whether this unit is <BR>compatible with 3/4 in
>> >pipe. I need something within the week just for my <BR>sanity
>> >and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise is driving me
>> ><BR>crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20
>> >years..........Help Cecil <BR>Help......Thanks for any help in
>> >advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer</FONT></HTML>
>> >
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>> >------------------------------
>> >
>> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:29:50 -0500
>> >From: "Joe Bulterman" <jbulterman at earthlink_net>
>> >Subject: RE: Problems in air pump land
>> >
>> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>> >
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>> >I use Alita's model 80 and like it very much...
>> >
>> >http://www.alita.com/airpump/al4680.html
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
>Behalf
>> >Of PARANORke at aol_com
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 1:03 PM
>> > To: KillieTalk at aka_org
>> > Cc: PARANORke at aol_com
>> > Subject: Problems in air pump land
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello everyone, Heres my problem,perhaps you can offer a solution.
>I
>> >have
>> > a large fishroom with between 50 and 80 tanks.For at least 15 years ,I
>> >have
>> > used a air compessor made by Thomas Industries for my source of air
>for my
>> > tanks,as of last night it decided to go to the great mechanical home
>in
>> >the
>> > sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with brass valves and saddles ,like many
>pet
>> > store set ups. Now I need a new compessor,I tried repairing it last
>night
>> >and
>> > that didn't work.The old comp. may be able to be rebuilt as a
>> >backup,perhaps
>> > by Thomas which was located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that
>the
>> >fish
>> > have no air now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in
>obtaining
>> >a
>> > new one with a similar capacity is very important. I looked at petwhse
>> >.com
>> > ,but they don't give any specs on the number of tanks that can be run
>off
>> >of
>> > a particular blower or air comp.! ! ,nor do the say whether this unit
>is
>> > compatible with 3/4 in pipe. I need something within the week just
>for my
>> > sanity and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise is driving
>me
>> > crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20
>years..........Help
>> >Cecil
>> > Help......Thanks for any help in advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer
>> >
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>> >size=3D2>I use=20
>> >Alita's model 80 and like it very much...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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>> >size=3D2><A=20
>>
>>href=3D"http://www.alita.com/airpump/al4680.html">http://www.alita.com/ai=
>> >rpump/al4680.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>> ><BLOCKQUOTE>
>> > <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
>> >face=3DTahoma=20
>> > size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
>> >owner-killietalk at aka_org=20
>> > [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]<B>On Behalf Of=20
>> > </B>PARANORke at aol_com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 16, 2000 1:03
>=
>> >
>> > PM<BR><B>To:</B> KillieTalk at aka_org<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
>> > PARANORke at aol_com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Problems in air pump=20
>> > land<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
>> >size=3D2>Hello=20
>> > everyone, Heres my problem,perhaps you can =
>> >offer a=20
>> > solution. I have <BR>a large fishroom with between 50 and 80 tanks.For
>=
>> >at=20
>> > least 15 years ,I have <BR>used a air compessor made by Thomas =
>> >Industries for=20
>> > my source of air for my <BR>tanks,as of last night it decided to go to
>=
>> >the=20
>> > great mechanical home in the <BR>sky.My system uses 3/4 in pvc with =
>> >brass=20
>> > valves and saddles ,like many pet <BR>store set ups. Now I need a
>new=20
>> > compessor,I tried repairing it last night and <BR>that didn't work.The
>=
>> >old=20
>> > comp. may be able to be rebuilt as a backup,perhaps <BR>by Thomas =
>> >which was=20
>> > located in Sheboygan ,Wisc. The problem is that the fish =
>> ><BR>have no air=20
>> > now ,and I d like to prevent losses so expidiency in obtaining a =
>> ><BR>new one=20
>> > with a similar capacity is very important. I looked at petwhse .com =
>> ><BR>,but=20
>> > they don't give any specs on the number of tanks that can be run off =
>> >of <BR>a=20
>> > particular blower or air comp.! ! ,nor do the say whether this unit is
>=
>> >
>> > <BR>compatible with 3/4 in pipe. I need something within the =
>> >week just=20
>> > for my <BR>sanity and the fishes well being.The lack of bubble noise =
>> >is=20
>> > driving me <BR>crazy,its been in my home or my parents for over 20=20
>> > years..........Help Cecil <BR>Help......Thanks for any help in=20
>> > advance.....Kurt E. Bihlmayer</FONT> =
>> ></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>> >
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>Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:16:19 -0500
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