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RE: Hexamita infections
Hi Nonn:
I know what you are going through. I also have had a very long stretch of
good luck which is currently running out. I have had heaters get unplugged.
And I have switched from mixing water (with salt) 1 gallon at a time to
filling a holding tank,aging the water and distributing via bucket. I have
been using one bucket to dump water from tanks and to distribute fresh
water. This has caused an unanticipated breach of my isolation protocols.
By improving the quality of my water I may be doing myself some harm when it
comes to disease control. I may have been accumulating bad habits as I went
along. I will be buying additional nets, buckets etc. I found that I left
some garlic juice in the fridge from when I had discus. It has changed
color from green to brown but it still smells bad (like garlic). I have
begun to add this to my fish food prophylacticly. By the way I also lost my
FUS to NOTHO-FADE-AWAY last year. No other Nothos in that tank (3 partition
10 gallon) caught it.
As I mentioned earlier Clout is for the experienced or the desperate (or
both). When I last used it the fish actually began to jump out! I do not
recall that it was recommended as a dip, rather, I believe that the entire
aquarium was to be treated. A am also very hesitant to treat fish seperate
from their environment as the disease may be systemic, such as Oodinium in
salt water. By dipping the fish in fresh water the parasites are removed
instantly. When you put the fish back into the tank they are reinfected
just as instantly. In any event I applaud your effort and your sharing your
progress with me. I have had clout in the basement for at least 15 years
now without the courage to use it. If it works on Nothos I will be able to
not only to cure my fish but get rid of one more thing from my basement.
By the way, in Thailand, have you ever seen beta Splendens with side by side
double tails?
I spoke to Rosario among others about the problem of Notho-Fade-Away
although just about everyone has seen the problem. No one has proposed the
easy cure when the fish stop eating.
Although I have a microscope, I do not have the stains etc. Do you know if
anyone out there might have access to a facility to do an autopsy on your
fish if you can't save them?
I do not have Rosario's E-mail address at hand, but if you would like I can
forward an e-mail to him if you e-mail it to me.
My parrot is getting tired of watching me type I will have to put him to bed
(perch)now.
Back in a few.
-RJ-
TranquilityBase at NetZero_Net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
Behalf Of Nonn Panitvong
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:03 AM
To: killietalk at aka_org
Subject: RE: Hexamita infections
JP,
I'm working on Clout with my fish right now. Almost killed my N.
fuscotaeniatus but he now recovered. 24 hours passed by, so far, the female
N. eggersi still swimming well in the clout solution. Actually, instead of
redo the dose after 24 hours I reduced it by half. I have to admit that I'm
chickened off after I saw the FUS laid flat on the jar bottom 2 hours ago.
He is now back in his compartment with his mate swimming normally. I hope
he will be fine. I don't know if he will eat, though. The EGG and AUS
still in there. Let see if they will start eating or not. They didn't eat
this morning after 12 hours in the Clout solution, though.
For those who have been following my problem. Please do not get me wrong.
I'm not that horrible killi keeper. My other 95% killi are happily breeding
and eating well.
BTW, anybody have Rosario LaCorte's email address?
I will keep the list posted.
Happy thanks giving to all,
Nonn Panitvong
From: "Tranquility Base" <TranquilityBase at netzero_net>
Reply-To: killietalk at aka_org
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Subject: RE: Hexamita infections
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:52:40 -0500
Hi Charles:
I tried various brands of matrinadazole (spelling?) on Discus even at twice
the dosage to treat wasting away disease. It failed miserably. Jack Wattley
suggested that it was usually not heximita which kills discus but rather
another parasite (forgot the name)and to try mixing garlic juice into the
food for the fish which were eating for 3 months. It worked a treat! Fish
which had stopped eating died. Those who ate the garlic food recovered. Have
you gotten Clout or Metrinadazole to work on fish which will not eat -
without inserting it with an eyedropper?
Any specific anicdotes regarding Nothos? How long does it take for these
treatments to take effect?
Thank you again for your assistance.
-RJ-
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
Behalf Of Charles & Sue Harrison
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 5:09 AM
To: KillieTalk at aka_org
Subject: Hexamita infections
Hello Group,
seems like I may have hit a nerve with Hexamita infections. I have been
following this little animal around since the 70's when I worked in Public
Health. Hexamita is an all too common STD. It usually causes little or no
discomfort in males but irritates the female counter part to no end.
Itching, inflammation, and terrible odor. Both patients have to be treated
or they pass it back and forth. Actually either partner may have the
protozoa present and observe no symptom at all until just the right trigger
and POW . . . what an itch. Sound familiar? Same thing in our fishes. As
long as the food passes through and flushes away the Hexamita no problem, if
the fish has a spell of no or little food so there is little or no movement
through the gut, POW
Some tanks will show the infection only after the keeper changes food and
the feeding pattern changes. Being a-symptomatic is typical both in humans,
birds, and fish. the presence of the protozoa is not the problem, it's the
irritation which feeds upon itself.
Sue has a picture of yours truly on the floor of the fish room with a Gold
Pheasant ( the live fish) in one hand and an eye dropper in the other. I was
forcing a squirter with a small bit of Flagyl and water down the throat of
an infected fish. I saved the pair this way. I have killed one or two as
well. I have tried this with smaller fish only to tare out the mouth parts
or some such disaster. Best to get the fish to eat the medication.
Clout does work. Use it just as directed on the bottle or package. There is
no copper in the product. It will however, kill off some of the "good " tank
flora and makes a mess in doing so. The blue color is methylene blue and
other dyes. This medication is a good cure for velvet along with several
other ugly animals. It does stain the silicone sealer of most tanks.
The medication I mentioned earlier is water white - clear. It doesn't kill
off as many other things in the tank and my rams horn snails don't seem to
be affected. I have used this medication at 2X the given dose. Remember now.
I change my tank water each week, all of it. So nothing stays in the water
long.
What else? translucent white feces? only if there has been enough food
ingested to make any feces at all. Why white and stringy? Lots of irritation
and mucus . . .
Would I do in the snails, yes, along with everything in the tank I could do
without. Bleach will kill everything, period. But it has to be covered with
the solution and has to be in contact with it long enough. Don't fill a tank
half full of the solution and expect the vapors to do the job. How much?
Make it stink of bleach 1/2 cup per 5 gallons fill the tank to the brim.
Cover the rail around the top. Three days will do. Let it set at least over
night. With plastic gloves scrub out the affected tank. A good rinse or two
with tap water and the bleach is mostly gone. fill the tank with tap water
and add the necessary amount of thiosulfate or other chlorine remover and
the tank is back in service.
OK - Now back to finish off the last water change before Thanksgiving in
Springfield, VA. Any killie nuts in Springfield? I would live to see your
fish room.
Charles Harrison
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