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Re: Round Robin egg swap
I would like a response from our many experts on this. If the
varius strains of occidentalis produce sterile "mules" then they must be
separate species, even if they exibit similar morphology, mustn't they???
If Bob's info is correct, then it seems that some serious research about
occidentalis is needed right away! I have sometimes wondered why there are
so few species that are similar to the sjoestedti and occidentalis. Maybe
there are several species that just haven't been recognized yet?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Meyer" <bmeyer at parkland_cc.il.us>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Round Robin egg swap
> Occidentalis. There are several strains of this fish. I believe that if
you cross these strains that you result in infertility problems in the later
generations. You can cross two fish and sell 100s of offspring and all are
sterile mules. The most success was found by people who continually bred
fish from one location only.
> The best way I found to breed this fish I found in an old article
(1970s.). I want to say it was Ray Huckstadt or something to that effect.
Iron River Michigan seems to ring a bell. He took a gallon milk jug and put
1 inch of white silica sand in the bottom. He then cut holes in the side of
the jug. The male would station himself above the sand. The female would
enter when she was ready. After a week he would take out the milk jug and
pour the sand into a container . Using a swirling technique he would stir
the eggs and collect them. They were then either peat incubated by laying
on top of peat or by water incubating (not as successful, but faster). Fish
spawned over peat seemed to have a lot of eggs disintegrate or disappear.
Apparently they are susceptible to waste products in the peat.
> Charles Harrison of St Louis had this fish for many generations until they
succombed to a Camallanus parasite. My fish also got this parasite and I
lost mine. The fish is still in the hobby. Some are listed in the BNL F&E
> We did not work with Toddi. I am thinking that Arch worked with this fish
a lot in the 70s and may have more insight.
> My best,
> Robert Ellermann
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