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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:28 AM
Subject: KillieTalk Digest V3 #462
>
> KillieTalk Digest Thursday, August 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number
462
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> In this issue:
>
> Re: New Aqualog Killie Book
> Need copy of Wildekamp 1
> Re: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
> Re: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
> Re: Peat and all that comes with it.
> Re: Peat and all that comes with it.
> RE: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
> Re: freeze dried mosquito larvae
> Re: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
> Re: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
> Re: Peat
> Re: freeze dried mosquito larvae
> More Books
> Re: More Books
> organizational history (Aaron Dvoskin)
> more tds matching/drip acclimation issues
> whats the average kept
> Re: More Books
> Re: whats the average kept
> Re: more tds matching/drip acclimation issues
> Re: New Aqualog Killie Book
> Re: more tds matching/drip acclimation issues
> Re: freeze dried mosquito larvae
> Re: Pumps on
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> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:47:22 +0100
> From: "Andy" <andy.h2ozone at breathemail_net>
> Subject: Re: New Aqualog Killie Book
>
> Hubert Hi,
>
> As I go to Munich quite often on Company business, could you please advise
> me of where, within the city I may purchase this latest Aqualog book.
>
> Many Tks,
>
>
>
> Andy
>
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> From: H.Wischmann <H.Wischmann at t-online_de>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: New Aqualog Killie Book
>
>
> > Hallo,
> > the new Aqualog-Book from Dr. Lothar Seegers, New World Killies, can be
> bought
> > here in Germany for 128,- DM. That means about 60$. 34 $ for
> transportation seems
> > a lot og money!
> > The book containes the biggest selection of color pictures of
killifishes
> I saw
> > up to now, it hold much more then thousend pictures, most of them in
good
> > quality.
> > Hubert Wischmann
> >
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>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:05:24 -0400
> From: "Bruce J. Turner" <fishgen at amnh_org>
> Subject: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
>
> The first volume of Wildekamp's A World of Killies is becoming very
> difficult to find, and is no longer available through AKA sources, or Lee
> Finley, or some other fish book sellers. I seem to have lost my copy
> during my recent move to New York, and the Dept. of Ichthyology here would
> like a copy for its own uses. We can xerox a copy we got on interlibrary
> loan, but the binding is so weak that we are actually afraid to do this.
> If anyone out there has a copy they feel like selling, or is willing to
> xerox their own copy (for a reasonable price) please let me know...
>
> ******************************************************************
> Bruce J. Turner
> Visiting Scientist
> Dept. Ichthyology
> American Museum of Natural History
> Central Park West at 79th Street
> New York, NY 10024
> (212)-769-5436
> fishgen at amnh_org
>
> Permanent address:
> Dept. Biology
> Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
> Blacksburg, VA 24061-0406
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> Rivulus marmoratus webpage: http://www.bsi.vt.edu/rivmar/
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>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:33:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: charley cvercko <lissener at yahoo_com>
> Subject: Re: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
>
> Ohmygod. I just stopped bidding on this at eBay and let
> someone else take it for $24. I'll email the winning bidder
> and see if they're able to help you.
>
> - --Charley
>
> - --- "Bruce J. Turner" <fishgen at amnh_org> wrote:
> > The first volume of Wildekamp's A World of Killies is
> > becoming very
> > difficult to find, and is no longer available through AKA
> > sources, or Lee
> > Finley, or some other fish book sellers. I seem to have
> > lost my copy
> > during my recent move to New York, and the Dept. of
> > Ichthyology here would
> > like a copy for its own uses. We can xerox a copy we got
> > on interlibrary
> > loan, but the binding is so weak that we are actually
> > afraid to do this.
> > If anyone out there has a copy they feel like selling, or
> > is willing to
> > xerox their own copy (for a reasonable price) please let
> > me know...
> >
> >
> ******************************************************************
> > Bruce J. Turner
> > Visiting Scientist
> > Dept. Ichthyology
> > American Museum of Natural History
> > Central Park West at 79th Street
> > New York, NY 10024
> > (212)-769-5436
> > fishgen at amnh_org
> >
> > Permanent address:
> > Dept. Biology
> > Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
> > Blacksburg, VA 24061-0406
> > (540)-231-7444 (V)
> > (540)-231-9307 (F)
> > fishgen at vt_edu
> > Rivulus marmoratus webpage: http://www.bsi.vt.edu/rivmar/
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:06:21 EDT
> From: Csinf at aol_com
> Subject: Re: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
>
> Hi All,
> Sorry to break the wagon down but in my opinion anyone Xeroxing the
> Wildekamp Books is making a mistake as I am certain the binding would
break
> when the book is fully opened to Xerox. At a past Keystone meeting it was
> brought up that the pages of soft cover issues were falling out due to the
> cheapness of the binding. On inspecting all three of my hard cover
volumes
> it appears they are merrily the soft cover issue inserted into a hard
cover.
> Although I could be wrong on this I would not Xerox mine from fear of
> breaking the binding.
> The same is true of the Special Notho Issue Vol. 24 No4/6 (1991) of
JAKA.
> I have already made the mistake of Xeroxing an article from this JAKA and
> breaking the binding.
>
> Allen R. McNealy csinf at aol_com
>
> In a message dated 8/2/00 3:05:43 PM EST, fishgen at amnh_org writes:
>
> The first volume of Wildekamp's A World of Killies is becoming very
> difficult to find, and is no longer available through AKA sources, or Lee
> Finley, or some other fish book sellers. I seem to have lost my copy
> during my recent move to New York, and the Dept. of Ichthyology here
would
> like a copy for its own uses. We can xerox a copy we got on interlibrary
> loan, but the binding is so weak that we are actually afraid to do this.
> If anyone out there has a copy they feel like selling, or is willing to
> xerox their own copy (for a reasonable price) please let me know...
>
> Bruce J. Turner
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>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:58:40 +0100
> From: "John Aikman" <john at aikman_freeserve.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Peat and all that comes with it.
>
> How much do people 'clean up' their peat when they are checking for eggs.
Do
> you pull out all the bits of Java moss and leaves and dead crustaceans
> before incubating the peat or just leave it all in the bag for the
> incubation? I have just found several bloodworm larvae and an odd
crustacean
> (presumably from my live food) in amongst all my peat and eggs. Should I
> remove all that I can or just bung it all in the bag?
>
> John
> UK
>
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> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:04:07 -0700
> From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
> Subject: Re: Peat and all that comes with it.
>
> John Aikman wrote:
> >
> > How much do people 'clean up' their peat when they are checking for
eggs. Do
> > you pull out all the bits of Java moss and leaves and dead crustaceans
> > before incubating the peat or just leave it all in the bag for the
> > incubation? I have just found several bloodworm larvae and an odd
crustacean
> > (presumably from my live food) in amongst all my peat and eggs. Should I
> > remove all that I can or just bung it all in the bag?
>
> The eggs *must* have what little oxygen diffuses through the bag. 'nuf
said?
>
> Wright
>
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> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:06:41 -0700
> From: "Brian R. Watters" <bwatters at sk_sympatico.ca>
> Subject: RE: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
>
> Allen R. McNealy wrote:
>
> >
> > ........ On inspecting all three of my hard
> > cover volumes it appears they are merrily
> > the soft cover issue inserted into a hard cover.
> >
>
> This only applies to the last hundred or so hard bound copies of Volume I
> that were distributed. Because the original hard cover copies of Volume I
> sold out much quicker than the soft bound version, some of the remaining
> soft cover copies were re-bound by a company in Ohio (i.e. not the
printers
> who did the original printing and binding) and, so far as I am concerned,
> they did a very poor job of it. You are correct in that it was a simple
job
> of a soft cover version placed into a hard cover but the mess-up was in
the
> way the spines were done, i.e. they were far too rigid. No allowance was
> made for the lateral expansion and contraction of the spine as the book is
> opened and closed so, as a consequence, when the book is opened, it simply
> splits apart.
>
> Those hard bound copies of Volume I that were done by the original printer
> are fine, as are the hard cover versions of Volumes II and III.
> ___________________________________________
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> University of Regina
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:59:07 -0700
> From: Tony Terceira <terceira at ride_ri.net>
> Subject: Re: freeze dried mosquito larvae
>
> Great source is
>
> www.brineshimpdirect.com also great flake food, brine shrimp
> eggs, de capsulated eggs, and the newest --- Golden pearls -- another
> potential baby brine supplement.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> At 09:00 AM 8/2/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hello All,
> >Does anyone know of a source for freeze dried mosquito larvae?
> >Thanks,
> >Joe in St. Louis
> >
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>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:34:53 +0100
> From: "Tim Addis" <timaddis at killifish_force9.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
>
> My copy of Vol 1 soft bound has fell apart through constant reference
work.
> The hard bound 2 & 3 are OK though. I would really like to get hold of Vol
1
> hardbound.
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:58:17 +0100
> From: "Tim Addis" <timaddis at killifish_force9.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Need copy of Wildekamp 1
>
> so far as I am concerned,
> > they did a very poor job of it.
>
> If the binding was messed up on Vol 1 at least can we get a re-print?
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:27:42 -0700
> From: Tony Terceira <terceira at ride_ri.net>
> Subject: Re: Peat
>
> I had an idea many years ago, I contacted a DKG member asked him
> to fill a box with the long fiberous peat and send it by boat. I paid
> him for all of the expenses plus a few dollars extra for the trouble. the
> box arrived at almost no cost and lasted me for 5 years. I was working
> with many annuals at the time.
>
> Ehiem was selling it as a filter media long ago ........ I use
> it for photography since it is more stable in water. I have used in as a
> source for peat water. I fill and onion bag with a quantity, place in a
> plastic vat place an airline in it at the bottom, let it bubble when the
> pump is running, and use my "black water tonic" whenever I want to be sure
> the water is softened. A little goes a long way........
>
>
> Speaking of pumps... I never run my compressor at night,
I
> always turn on the pump in the morning, shut it off at bed time, using
> about a 14 hour cycle. People who visit seem to think it is strange I
shut
> off the compressor and use very many sponge filters in the fish room..
Do
> most of you leave your compressors or pumps on 24 hours a day. When I
> need constant air, I use a small air pump for special circumstances. i.e.
> delaying hatching of eggs to increase fry hatching at the same
> time..... circulating some of the killie eggs that I tumble like mouth
> brooders to increasing hatching.......
>
>
> Is this a potential thread ?????
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> At 09:03 PM 8/1/00 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 8/1/2000 7:46:12 PM, huntley1 at home_com writes:
> >
> ><< Lee gets it really, really cheap ($5). >>
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:28:03 -0700
> From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
> Subject: Re: freeze dried mosquito larvae
>
> Tony Terceira wrote:
> >
> > Great source is
> >
> > www.brineshimpdirect.com also great flake food, brine shrimp
> > eggs, de capsulated eggs, and the newest --- Golden pearls -- another
> > potential baby brine supplement.
> >
>
> www.brineshrimpdirect.com may work better, assuming *I* didn't drop any
> letters. ;-)
>
> Look for freeze-dried bloodworms, as they are the larvae of midge flys,
and
> AFAIK the only thing like mosquito larvae packaged in commercial
quantities.
> CAUTION: They tend to be likely to aggravate allergies, so handle with
> suitable precautions.
>
> Wright
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:44:13 -0700
> From: "btpmsi" <btpmsi at email_msn.com>
> Subject: More Books
>
> I've also got a book that I've decided to part with, entitled "Eierlegende
> Zahnkarpfen" written by Reinhold Bech (Neuman Verlag)1989. I picked this
up
> when I was in East Berlin in '91. It was published in what was then still
> East Germany. Do you have it? It has 132 pages, 60 color photos, loads of
> Wildekamp's line drawings (not including the stunning cover fish L.
> tanganicus!!!) Great Photography (as usual) As new condition.
>
> Interested? Let me know!!
>
> Brian
> West Linn, OR
>
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:51:26 -0700
> From: "btpmsi" <btpmsi at email_msn.com>
> Subject: Re: More Books
>
> Oops! I'm wanting Procatopus spp. in trade for the book. Tellmewhajagot.
>
> Cheers,
> Brian
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> From: btpmsi <btpmsi at email_msn.com>
> To: <killies at mejac_palo-alto.ca.us>
> Cc: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:44 PM
> Subject: More Books
>
>
> > I've also got a book that I've decided to part with, entitled
"Eierlegende
> > Zahnkarpfen" written by Reinhold Bech (Neuman Verlag)1989. I picked
this
> up
> > when I was in East Berlin in '91. It was published in what was then
still
> > East Germany. Do you have it? It has 132 pages, 60 color photos, loads
of
> > Wildekamp's line drawings (not including the stunning cover fish L.
> > tanganicus!!!) Great Photography (as usual) As new condition.
> >
> > Interested? Let me know!!
> >
> > Brian
> > West Linn, OR
> >
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:27:53 EDT
> From: RuevenM at aol_com
> Subject: organizational history (Aaron Dvoskin)
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> If you want to learn more about Aaron Dvoskin, you should talk to
> AKA members Alan Fletcher, Rosario LaCorte and Bill Harsell. Alan was the
> editor of THE AQUARIUM after W.T.INNES and published Aaron's articles.
> Rosario and Bill were good friends with him. He is also mentioned in Ross
> Socoloff 's autobiography CONFESSIONS OF A TROPICAL FISH ADDICT. Aaron
passed
> on a number of years ago.
> What I know of Aaron is as follows. He owned a wholesale/retail
> business in New Jersey in the 50's/early 60's called Suburban Tropicals.
He
> specialized in importing and selling rare tropicals. Socoloff says he lost
> his business because his love of fish led him to approach it as a hobby
and
> not a profitable business. You can find ads for his business in old issues
of
> THE AQUARIUM and maybe THE AQUARIUM JOURNAL. He focused on African fish
and
> brought over alot of stuff from the great old German hatchery/import
house --
> Aquarium Hamburg. Aaron was the first to import kribensis and "Roloffia"
> petersi in the early 50's from Aquarium Hamburg.
> His first big claim to fame was the importation of Congo fish from
> Pierre Brichard. Aaron, Rosario and Bill Harsell were contacted by
Brichard
> to see if they would be interested in African fish. This was in the early
> 50's when Brichard was just starting out in Kinshasa and looking to export
> Stanley Pool fish -- long before the career as a Rift Lake cichlid god.
> Aaron, Rosario and Bill contracted for a large shipment and it arrived in
> great shape. THE AQUARIUM and THE AQUARIUM JOURNAL ran multi-month
features
> on the shipment and the new species of fish.
> Aaron has some wonderful articles in the old magazines -- particularly
a
> fine piece on "Roloffia" petersi. He raised 1000's off his first pairs and
he
> details his methods. The F. A. I. stands for a Fellow of Aquarists
> International. The late great hobbyist, breeder, photographer and
author --
> Gene Wolfsheimer -- started Aquarist International with Robert Andrews of
> London. Gene carried on an extentive correspondence worldwide -- he
pioneered
> the shipping of killifish eggs using those of Rivulus harti (I believe)
and
> sending them to Andrews in Great Britain. He also pioneered shipping fish
> airmail with Dr. Cliff Emmens in Sydney. Anyway, Gene got the idea of an
> international tropical fish correspondence club and announced its
formation
> in THE AQUARIUM in an article and Innes devoted one of his famous
editorials
> to it. It was an elite group. They exchanged letters among themselves
> detailing their fish experience -- much like this discussion group.
Rosario
> LaCorte, Rodney Jonklas, Jorgen Scheel (The famous Scheel "Killie Letters"
of
> the late 50's were a part of or an outgrowth of A. I. and the AKA should
> really publish the full collection of these wonderful letters as a
founding
> historical document!!!!) and many others. The wonderful old magazine
AQUATIC
> LIFE published monthly selections from the A. I. correspondence. In my
> copies, I have Wolfsheimer talking about his famous albino betta, how to
grow
> red rotifers and why they are better for fry than baby brine shrimp and
his
> work with Dicrossus maculata when it first became available in the 50's.
> Fascinating stuff. Aaron Dvoskin was a member and friend of Gene's. I have
> been researching Wolfsheimer for a number of years and Rosario once told
me
> that he threw all his A . I . correspondence out when he moved in the
80's. I
> wanted to ring his neck!!! He said, years ago, Gene warned him not to as
it
> was full of real fish knowledge. Gene Wolfsheimer died in 1974. (If anyone
> knew Gene, please contact me. I would like to do a major article on Gene.
I
> wish someone would name a fish for him.)
> Alan Fletcher, the late great Franz Werner and I guess Dvoskin were
> behind the American Panchax Asso. Al Klee, the AKA's founding member, told
me
> that the APA did not get off the ground because it could not find a way to
> function nationally. There was interest but no plan. A few years later,
when
> Bob Criger got the idea for the AKA, it was Klee who came up with the
> seemingly obvious idea of conducting all association business by mail (The
> old Aquarist International maybe?). This became the formula for all the
> national tropical fish associations that were developed after the AKA and
> based on its (Klee's) model. Al Klee is still very much alive and as
> brilliant as ever. It is high time -- before it is too late -- that the
AKA
> honor its founding member and great man of the tropical fish hobby.
> I hope this helps. Talk to the guys I mentioned -- they were there. I
was
> not.
>
> My Best,
> Robert Ellermann
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:07:25 -0500
> From: Doug Karpa-Wilson <dkarpawi at indiana_edu>
> Subject: more tds matching/drip acclimation issues
>
> Hey,
>
> I am moving some fish around to free up a tank for newcomers, and the
> previous occupants were sitting in around 700 ppm (! Dolomite gravel, I
> think, no salt) and the tank they were in quarantine for is at around
> 250ppm. I've added salt to the destination tank to bring it up to 320ppm,
> but that's still too big a gap. I've been drip acclimating the occupants
> for a couple hours, bringin it down to 630 or so, but I don't really want
> to leave them drip acclimating for ever. Should I take a break and let
> that sink in until tomorrow morning (I think this is what I'll do, since I
> doubt I'll get answers tonight) then do another round tomorrow morning?
> I've got them on slower drips now, but I don't really want to leave it
> over night unattended. Hmm.
>
> How long do you drip acclimate per 100ppm difference, say?
>
> TIA,as usual,
>
> Doug
>
> Doug Karpa-Wilson
> Department of Biology
> Indiana University
> Jordan Hall
> 1001 E. 3rd St.
> Bloomington, IN 47405
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 03:11:04 GMT
> From: "gregory kelley" <kinohale at hotmail_com>
> Subject: whats the average kept
>
> Hello all
> I hope your week is going well :-). I was wanting to know whats the
average
> amount kept i mean as far as different breeds of killies and what is
> recomended im starting slowly with 4 differnt breeds and want to get the
> knowledge of breeding and raising killies for the first year then slowly
> expand from there .
> Tanks
> Gregory
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:20:50 -0700
> From: "btpmsi" <btpmsi at email_msn.com>
> Subject: Re: More Books
>
> One cool thing about this book is that it contains photo groups of the
> following spawning sequences:
> Lucania goodei
> Chriopeoides pengelleyi
> Aplocheilicthys spilauchen
> Procatopus nototaneia
> Jordanella floridae
> N. rachovii
>
> Great shots of Cyprinodon macularius, Roloffia hastingsi, and Garmanella
> pulchra too!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian
> West Linn, OR
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> From: btpmsi <btpmsi at email_msn.com>
> To: <killies at mejac_palo-alto.ca.us>
> Cc: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:44 PM
> Subject: More Books
>
>
> > I've also got a book that I've decided to part with, entitled
"Eierlegende
> > Zahnkarpfen" written by Reinhold Bech (Neuman Verlag)1989. I picked
this
> up
> > when I was in East Berlin in '91. It was published in what was then
still
> > East Germany. Do you have it? It has 132 pages, 60 color photos, loads
of
> > Wildekamp's line drawings (not including the stunning cover fish L.
> > tanganicus!!!) Great Photography (as usual) As new condition.
> >
> > Interested? Let me know!!
> >
> > Brian
> > West Linn, OR
> >
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:46:09 -0700
> From: "R. W. Wolff" <choupiqu at wctc_net>
> Subject: Re: whats the average kept
>
> Gregory,
> I don't know if I am average, but here is what happened in my near
decade
> of keeping killifish. After awhile of experimenting with all kinds, I
> narrowed my self down to 3 basic "types". These being Fundulus, Rivulus,
> and what was once known as Roloffias. I also keep a few diapterons, but I
> just can't resist them. This is how I limit myself from just flooding the
> basement. Now to get a number of breeds, I limit myself to under ( or
above
> slightly , killifish syndrome ha ha) a dozen of each. Plain speeking I
> have about 36 breeds of killifish. Talking to most keepers, this is a
> little below average of your serious killi keeper, but above average for
> those who keep other species of fish, or animals ( birds, herps etc.)
along
> with there killi collections. I guess it is like alot of things, it is
> relative to who you are talking to, like what a big car is, or how much
RAM
> a computer should have. I hope this was some insight,
> Regards,
> Ray Wolff
> Wisconsin Rapids, WI.
> W.A.K.O. , A.K.A. , and N.A.N.F.A. member
>
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> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:38:36 -0700
> From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
> Subject: Re: more tds matching/drip acclimation issues
>
> It's way past my bedtime, so factor that into my answer. OK?
>
> I use a rough rule of thumb that a 2:1 difference in tds is tolerated
pretty
> well in both directions for abrupt dunking. If at all possible, I get the
> difference to less than that in going down in tds. I would dunk fish from
> 500 ppm into 300 ppm with little stress noticed, usually.
>
> Puddle fish survive sudden rain deluges, so they must have *some*
temporary,
> quick, way to adjust their osmotic barriers.
>
> This is an area that lacks good scientific studies, AFAIK, so if someone
> knows of any we would like to hear about them.
>
> Wright
>
> Doug Karpa-Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > I am moving some fish around to free up a tank for newcomers, and the
> > previous occupants were sitting in around 700 ppm (! Dolomite gravel, I
> > think, no salt) and the tank they were in quarantine for is at around
> > 250ppm. I've added salt to the destination tank to bring it up to
320ppm,
> > but that's still too big a gap. I've been drip acclimating the
occupants
> > for a couple hours, bringin it down to 630 or so, but I don't really
want
> > to leave them drip acclimating for ever. Should I take a break and let
> > that sink in until tomorrow morning (I think this is what I'll do, since
I
> > doubt I'll get answers tonight) then do another round tomorrow morning?
> > I've got them on slower drips now, but I don't really want to leave it
> > over night unattended. Hmm.
> >
> > How long do you drip acclimate per 100ppm difference, say?
> >
> > TIA,as usual,
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > Doug Karpa-Wilson
> > Department of Biology
> > Indiana University
> > Jordan Hall
> > 1001 E. 3rd St.
> > Bloomington, IN 47405
> >
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>
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> Rule 1: Don't tell people everything you know.
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> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:38:51 +0200
> From: H.Wischmann at t-online_de (H.Wischmann)
> Subject: Re: New Aqualog Killie Book
>
> Hallo Andy,
> I have not been in Munich a long time; it is more than 500 km from here.
So I
> have no Idea, where to buy a Aqualog-book in Munich. Sorry. Normaly you
should
> get it in petstores as well as in bookshops.
> Hubert Wischmann
> Oberhausen, Germany
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> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 02:14:42 EDT
> From: Dvredfearn at aol_com
> Subject: Re: more tds matching/drip acclimation issues
>
> Wright,
> I use rain water when It rains here in Dallas without any trouble one the
> Aust. I catch it coming off the roof of my house or my metal building.
The
> pH is the same and so is the hardness from either spot. If it is
extremely
> dirty I will filter it or a day or two but the fish live and its easier to
> change. I've noticed a difference when we have a lot of lighting. It
tends
> to make the water have a slight pH change.
> Dennis
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> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 02:18:18 EDT
> From: Dvredfearn at aol_com
> Subject: Re: freeze dried mosquito larvae
>
> Wright
> I can't get my killi's to eat the freeze dried mosquito larvae.
> Dennis
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> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:25:12 -0500
> From: "Al Anderson" <killiman at indy_net>
> Subject: Re: Pumps on
>
> I leave mine on for 24 hours 7 days a week.
> Al Anderson
> killiman at indy_net
> 317 253 2170
> 317 466 1615 FAX
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Terceira" <terceira at ride_ri.net>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Peat
>
>
> >
> > I had an idea many years ago, I contacted a DKG member asked
him
> > to fill a box with the long fiberous peat and send it by boat. I paid
> > him for all of the expenses plus a few dollars extra for the trouble.
the
> > box arrived at almost no cost and lasted me for 5 years. I was working
> > with many annuals at the time.
> >
> > Ehiem was selling it as a filter media long ago ........ I
use
> > it for photography since it is more stable in water. I have used in as
a
> > source for peat water. I fill and onion bag with a quantity, place in a
> > plastic vat place an airline in it at the bottom, let it bubble when the
> > pump is running, and use my "black water tonic" whenever I want to be
sure
> > the water is softened. A little goes a long way........
> >
> >
> > Speaking of pumps... I never run my compressor at
night,
> I
> > always turn on the pump in the morning, shut it off at bed time, using
> > about a 14 hour cycle. People who visit seem to think it is strange I
> shut
> > off the compressor and use very many sponge filters in the fish room..
> Do
> > most of you leave your compressors or pumps on 24 hours a day. When
I
> > need constant air, I use a small air pump for special circumstances.
i.e.
> > delaying hatching of eggs to increase fry hatching at the same
> > time..... circulating some of the killie eggs that I tumble like mouth
> > brooders to increasing hatching.......
> >
> >
> > Is this a potential thread ?????
> >
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:03 PM 8/1/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > >In a message dated 8/1/2000 7:46:12 PM, huntley1 at home_com writes:
> > >
> > ><< Lee gets it really, really cheap ($5). >>
> >
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