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BOUNCE killietalk at aka_org: Non-member submission from ["Tom ROCHE" <TROCHE at itt_state.ga.us>]



Both of these stories suggest that we know too little to say
what animals have what types of feelings.  The same goes
for suffering.

Tom

 >>> 1015 at glasgow-ky_com 07/19/00 10:23PM >>>
I had a similiar experience with a oscar and a tiger barb purchased on the
same day the barb was about the same size as the oscar.  One day the barb
for some reason jumped from the tank and landed in another tank.  When I
came home the oscar was laying on his side in the bottom of the tank I at
first thought he had made a dinner of the barb which had become 1/5 the
oscars size but when I tried to feed the oscar he wouldn't even rise to look
at the little live goodies I tossed into the tank.  A short time later I
found the barb and replaced him in with the oscar that oscar perked right up
thrilled to see his little buddy they lived together over 4 years--until a
shovelnosed catfish ate the barb  at least I think that is what happened
oscar mopped around for about a week and when I put a new barb in the tank
he promptly ate him..he could tell the difference between a known friend and
a new acquaintance.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Bartell" <garybartell at sprintmail_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [Cruelty laws?]


 > I have also seen other specials where some animals tend to exhibit higher
 > levels of "humaness" than others; elephants, whales, dolphins, etc.  But
 > never in fish.  Not even cichlids, which exhibit a higher degree of
maternal
 > or paternal care of their spawn show that they grieve or even understand
the
 > difference of life and death. Here is one that I must disagree with years
 > ago I had a pair of Tilapia
 > mossambica(mated pair)one day while going through the mating routine a
large
 > piece of slate fell and pinned her under it. by the time I found her she
was
 > dead, and that male did not leave her side even when I took her out. For
 > about a week he did not eat and just kept circling over that piece of
slate
 > where she died. Finally I took the slate out and he again returned to a
 > normal routine.Now you can call it what you want, but I saw it.
 >
 >   Gary
 >
 >
 >
 >
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