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I've used Melafix for a while with good results with my killies as well as with a good no. of S.A. tetra
species however the first time I used the stuff(according to directions)2 pair of Beckford's Pencilfish
reacted instantly and fatally.The fish appeared perfectly healthy prior to dosing the tank.just a word of
caution before using this on some rare or expensive fish
Jerry Kmack
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> KillieTalk Digest Saturday, July 8 2000 Volume 03 : Number 392
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> In this issue:
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> RE: Epiplatys barmoiensis/MelaFix
> Re: Epiplatys barmoiensis
> Re: Epiplatys barmoiensis
> Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
> Re: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
> Re: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
> RE: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
> Re: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
> Re: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:13:01 -0400
> From: "Joe Bulterman" <jbulterman at earthlink_net>
> Subject: RE: Epiplatys barmoiensis/MelaFix
>
> About 9 months ago, I started using a product called MelaFix from Aquarium
> Pharmaceuticals. I was using it on my dwarf red gularis as the fish would
> beat it other up so badly. I think the product works well as a restorative.
> Someone recently posted a link to a site where the product was independently
> tested and was fairly well rated.
>
> http://www.koivet.com/melafix/
>
> Joe Bulterman
> AKA Membership Committee
> 3233 Dunster Court
> Fairfax, VA 22030
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> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of cfghra
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 2:47 AM
> To: aunzza at killi_net; killietalk at aka_org
> Subject: Epiplatys barmoiensis
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a chance to obtain some E. barmoiensis, but tank space and time are a
> bit short at the moment so I am after a bit of info before I make my
> decision.
>
> Just received some SJO imported from Germany that are in reasonable
> condition, does anybody know of a product that will help fish get back to
> full health quicker than salt and fresh water.
>
> Gary Harman-Hobbs
> NAKA 69, AKA 08116
> Adelaide, South Australia
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> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:11:33 -0400
> From: tgarof <tgarof at netzero_com>
> Subject: Re: Epiplatys barmoiensis
>
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> I use a product called MelaFix. It is an ALL Natural antibacterial remedy for
> your fish. It does not affect the biological filtration, plants, snails, or any
> invertebrates, even scaless fish are safe with this medicine. It helps repair
> damaged fins and open wounds. I watched my pygmae corydora go from NO tail what
> so ever to a full tail within two weeks. Same thing with a dwarf flamingo
> gourami. It works well with stress coat. There is one thing.....if there is a
> real bad case of some outbreak it doesn't work as well. It starts to work around
> the second to third day. If it is a bad case the fish usually doesn't make it.
> So I use it as a preventative in certain cases. It is not that expensive (if you
> buy it online). I purchase a big bottle and it treats upto 960 gallons and it
> costs around $7 a bottle. A good place to look for it is Pet Warehouse. Its URL
> is www.petwhse.com they are a nice company to deal with all around. Well good
> luck with the E. barmoiensis and your SJO. Hope this info can help.
>
> Tom Garofalo
>
> cfghra wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a chance to obtain some E. barmoiensis, but tank space and time are a
> > bit short at the moment so I am after a bit of info before I make my
> > decision.
> >
> > Just received some SJO imported from Germany that are in reasonable
> > condition, does anybody know of a product that will help fish get back to
> > full health quicker than salt and fresh water.
> >
> > Gary Harman-Hobbs
> > NAKA 69, AKA 08116
> > Adelaide, South Australia
> >
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> I use a product called MelaFix. It is an ALL Natural antibacterial remedy
> for your fish. It does not affect the biological filtration, plants, snails,
> or any invertebrates, even scaless fish are safe with this medicine. It
> helps repair damaged fins and open wounds. I watched my pygmae corydora
> go from NO tail what so ever to a full tail within two weeks. Same thing
> with a dwarf flamingo gourami. It works well with stress coat. There is
> one thing.....if there is a real bad case of some outbreak it doesn't work
> as well. It starts to work around the second to third day. If it is a bad
> case the fish usually doesn't make it. So I use it as a preventative in
> certain cases. It is not that expensive (if you buy it online). I purchase
> a big bottle and it treats upto 960 gallons and it costs around $7 a bottle.
> A good place to look for it is <a href="http:\\www.petwhse.com">Pet Warehouse</a>.
> Its URL is www.petwhse.com they are a nice company to deal with all around.
> Well good luck with the E. barmoiensis and your SJO. Hope this info can
> help.
> <p>Tom Garofalo
> <p>cfghra wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi all,
> <p>I have a chance to obtain some E. barmoiensis, but tank space and time
> are a
> <br>bit short at the moment so I am after a bit of info before I make my
> <br>decision.
> <p>Just received some SJO imported from Germany that are in reasonable
> <br>condition, does anybody know of a product that will help fish get back
> to
> <br>full health quicker than salt and fresh water.
> <p>Gary Harman-Hobbs
> <br>NAKA 69, AKA 08116
> <br>Adelaide, South Australia
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> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:16:44 -0400
> From: tgarof <tgarof at netzero_com>
> Subject: Re: Epiplatys barmoiensis
>
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> Sorry for the bad link try this one Pet Warehouse.
>
> tgarof wrote:
>
> > I use a product called MelaFix. It is an ALL Natural antibacterial
> > remedy for your fish. It does not affect the biological filtration,
> > plants, snails, or any invertebrates, even scaless fish are safe with
> > this medicine. It helps repair damaged fins and open wounds. I watched
> > my pygmae corydora go from NO tail what so ever to a full tail within
> > two weeks. Same thing with a dwarf flamingo gourami. It works well
> > with stress coat. There is one thing.....if there is a real bad case
> > of some outbreak it doesn't work as well. It starts to work around the
> > second to third day. If it is a bad case the fish usually doesn't make
> > it. So I use it as a preventative in certain cases. It is not that
> > expensive (if you buy it online). I purchase a big bottle and it
> > treats upto 960 gallons and it costs around $7 a bottle. A good place
> > to look for it is Pet Warehouse. Its URL is www.petwhse.com they are a
> > nice company to deal with all around. Well good luck with the E.
> > barmoiensis and your SJO. Hope this info can help.
> >
> > Tom Garofalo
> >
> > cfghra wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have a chance to obtain some E. barmoiensis, but tank space and
> >> time are a
> >> bit short at the moment so I am after a bit of info before I make my
> >>
> >> decision.
> >>
> >> Just received some SJO imported from Germany that are in reasonable
> >> condition, does anybody know of a product that will help fish get
> >> back to
> >> full health quicker than salt and fresh water.
> >>
> >> Gary Harman-Hobbs
> >> NAKA 69, AKA 08116
> >> Adelaide, South Australia
> >>
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> Sorry for the bad link try this one <a href="http://www.petwhse.com">Pet
> Warehouse</a>.
> <p>tgarof wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I use a product called MelaFix. It is an ALL Natural
> antibacterial remedy for your fish. It does not affect the biological filtration,
> plants, snails, or any invertebrates, even scaless fish are safe with this
> medicine. It helps repair damaged fins and open wounds. I watched my pygmae
> corydora go from NO tail what so ever to a full tail within two weeks.
> Same thing with a dwarf flamingo gourami. It works well with stress coat.
> There is one thing.....if there is a real bad case of some outbreak it
> doesn't work as well. It starts to work around the second to third day.
> If it is a bad case the fish usually doesn't make it. So I use it as a
> preventative in certain cases. It is not that expensive (if you buy it
> online). I purchase a big bottle and it treats upto 960 gallons and it
> costs around $7 a bottle. A good place to look for it is <a href="http:\\www.petwhse.com">Pet
> Warehouse</a>. Its URL is www.petwhse.com they are a nice company to deal
> with all around. Well good luck with the E. barmoiensis and your SJO. Hope
> this info can help.
> <p>Tom Garofalo
> <p>cfghra wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi all,
> <p>I have a chance to obtain some E. barmoiensis, but tank space and time
> are a
> <br>bit short at the moment so I am after a bit of info before I make my
> <br>decision.
> <p>Just received some SJO imported from Germany that are in reasonable
> <br>condition, does anybody know of a product that will help fish get back
> to
> <br>full health quicker than salt and fresh water.
> <p>Gary Harman-Hobbs
> <br>NAKA 69, AKA 08116
> <br>Adelaide, South Australia
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> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:16:33 PDT
> From: "Jon Aquì" <ohimo at hotmail_com>
> Subject: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
>
> Hello again folks, just have a few questions about E. annulatus. I've read
> somewhere that it's not for beginners and the fry are difficult to keep, but
> by the same token, I've also read that, given the right tank (a densely
> planted one w/ soft water) they are just fine and will readily breed. So,
> my question is, since I only use planted tanks and I'm not an outright
> greenhorn at killies, would the annulatus be a fish I could keep and try to
> breed?
>
> If so, I've got some more inquiries. Do they need a higher temp than room
> temprature? Any specific pH and hardness levels they should be kept at?
> What to feed them and the fry? Any other info on this pretty little fish
> would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Jon
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:56:53 -1000 (HST)
> From: Mach Fukada <fukada at aloha_net>
> Subject: Re: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
>
> When I was fooling around with them my water was pH 7.8, 160 ppm total
> hardness and 80ppm KH. They were kept in a 5.5 gallon tank, bare bottom,
> packed with Java moss. They were fed brine shrimp, and tetra color bits
> (ground up and pre soaked). No heater, but then it was usually 70-80F in
> Honolulu.
> Of course YMMV and may not be the same for the recent commercial
> importations.
>
> MTF
>
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Jon Aquì wrote:
>
> > Hello again folks, just have a few questions about E. annulatus. I've read
> > somewhere that it's not for beginners and the fry are difficult to keep, but
> > by the same token, I've also read that, given the right tank (a densely
> > planted one w/ soft water) they are just fine and will readily breed. So,
> > my question is, since I only use planted tanks and I'm not an outright
> > greenhorn at killies, would the annulatus be a fish I could keep and try to
> > breed?
> >
> > If so, I've got some more inquiries. Do they need a higher temp than room
> > temprature? Any specific pH and hardness levels they should be kept at?
> > What to feed them and the fry? Any other info on this pretty little fish
> > would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Jon
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:54:29 -0400
> From: "David Rossi" <chezsous at home_com>
> Subject: Re: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
>
> Hi Jon
>
> I kept and maintained Ep.ANN.MON. for about 7 years before taking a haitus
> from the hobby.
>
> While they are not a "beginners fish" they are nonetheless an awesome fish
> if kept under the right conditions and maintained properly.
>
> I kept mine in planted tanks, using Java Moss as the spawing medium. My
> water was tap water which pretty much is soft acid. Water changes weekly.
> Size of the tank determined how many fish . I kept around 30 in a 55 gallon
> tank at one point.
>
> I did not collect eggs, they are miniscule and I am blind. I would siphon
> the fry off the top after they hatched and were on top, and even that was a
> chore given my eyesight. The most effective method I found was removing the
> Java Moss and putting it in a half gallon ice cream container, and just
> letting the eggs hatch and fry can be kept in container until transfered.
> Using Moss offers first food also, given the wee beasties in the water.
> Mops can also be used.
>
> Temperature was whatever my fish room was at. First food was Vinegar eels ,
> these guys are pretty much top feeders and I found Micros to go down, soon
> after brine shrimp.
>
> Growth is slow , but it also dependent on the conditions like anything else.
>
> I loved this fish. I managed to distribute this fish to about 30 people,
> and am trying to get some back. So far no one has managed to keep them
>
> Email me privately if you like.
> Good luck and don't be afraid to cull.
>
> Dave Rossi
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> From: "Jon Aquì" <ohimo at hotmail_com>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 1:16 PM
> Subject: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
>
> > Hello again folks, just have a few questions about E. annulatus. I've
> read
> > somewhere that it's not for beginners and the fry are difficult to keep,
> but
> > by the same token, I've also read that, given the right tank (a densely
> > planted one w/ soft water) they are just fine and will readily breed. So,
> > my question is, since I only use planted tanks and I'm not an outright
> > greenhorn at killies, would the annulatus be a fish I could keep and try
> to
> > breed?
> >
> > If so, I've got some more inquiries. Do they need a higher temp than room
> > temprature? Any specific pH and hardness levels they should be kept at?
> > What to feed them and the fry? Any other info on this pretty little fish
> > would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Jon
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:23:47 -0400
> From: "Joe Bulterman" <jbulterman at earthlink_net>
> Subject: RE: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
>
> About 2 weeks ago, I took all the java moss from my annulatus tank and put
> it into my moina daphnia culture to help generate algae and bacteria for the
> daphnia. 10 minutes ago I pulled a bunch of annulatus fry from the surface
> of the daphnia culture. I had not see any fry in my breeder tank, so maybe
> the adults were eating them (I understand they are very tasty). Epiplaty's
> are very hardy fish and I raise them in the same water as the rest of my
> soft water killi's: pH 7.0, low general hardness, and low carbonate
> hardness. The eggs and fry are very small and they can not take BBS at
> first, which is why they liked the daphnia tub. I like to pick the eggs
> from the mop as it is an exercise in small detail work. If you don't like
> small detail work, leave the mop in the breeder tank for a week or two, pull
> the mop and place it submerged into a shoebox and wait for the fry to appear
> at the surface because epiplaty's are physically set up to be more of a
> surface feeder.
>
> Joe Bulterman
> AKA Membership Committee
> 3233 Dunster Court
> Fairfax, VA 22030
> 703.591.7521
> http://www.chesapeakekillifish.com
>
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> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of Jon Aquì
> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 1:17 PM
> To: killietalk at aka_org
> Subject: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
>
> Hello again folks, just have a few questions about E. annulatus. I've read
> somewhere that it's not for beginners and the fry are difficult to keep, but
> by the same token, I've also read that, given the right tank (a densely
> planted one w/ soft water) they are just fine and will readily breed. So,
> my question is, since I only use planted tanks and I'm not an outright
> greenhorn at killies, would the annulatus be a fish I could keep and try to
> breed?
>
> If so, I've got some more inquiries. Do they need a higher temp than room
> temprature? Any specific pH and hardness levels they should be kept at?
> What to feed them and the fry? Any other info on this pretty little fish
> would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Jon
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> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:29:30 -0700
> From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
> Subject: Re: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
>
> "Jon Aquì" wrote:
> >
> > Hello again folks, just have a few questions about E. annulatus. I've read
> > somewhere that it's not for beginners and the fry are difficult to keep, but
> > by the same token, I've also read that, given the right tank (a densely
> > planted one w/ soft water) they are just fine and will readily breed.
>
> I agree with Mach's comments. The ones in the hobby a while certainly will
> breed readily. I mix tap and RO to get the water pretty soft.
>
> The difficulties are that the tiny babies can't take bbs, and the fact that
> the eggs don't seem to tolerate handling the way many other killy eggs will.
>
> Most others, (as well as me) who have succeeded with them, use a smaller
> plant-stuffed tank, or lots of fibrous peat (hopelessly expensive in the
> US), and one or more pairs. The babies are spotted in or near the top
> meniscus where the water curls up by the glass. Frequent removal (eye
> dropper) prevents growth of the juveniles, who might eat eggs and babies.
>
> The adults rarely bother eggs (if well buried in thick plants or peat) or
> the babies. I feed breeding pairs almost exclusively on newly-hatched
> Artemia nauplii for best production. They will eat other live foods, but
> they (and their mouths) are small, so the bbs works best for me.
>
> They are surface fish, so I like a dense growth of floating water sprite as
> the main spawning medium. Java moss is a poor substitute unless growing
> clear up to the surface. Floating mops (very thick) should work if you can't
> get floaters with thick roots.
>
> Fibrous peat (o/e) works best in really shallow containers, like plastic
> shoeboxes, IMO. They do seem to like shallow water, for some reason. I have
> them in a 10G, right now, and they never go down more than about 1/3 of the
> way to the bottom, unless chasing food.
>
> Rich old plantings support a lot of rotifers, paramecia and other infusoria
> critters, so a few babies can reach the size where they can take bbs in a
> few weeks. They are *really* slow growers, so be patient. Green water
> infusions in the rearing containers are a very good idea, too, I think.
>
> Wright
>
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> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:53:21 +0100
> From: "Tim Addis" <timaddis at killifish_force9.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Tell me about Pseudepiplatys annulatus
>
> I put a photo of a new type of Ps.annulatus on the BKA website last month
> http://www.bka.freeuk.com/killinews4.htm this has recently been imported &
> is very yellow. The photo is of a wild male.
> I cannot find any photo's of a similar coloured fish anywhere. Anyone seen
> it before?
> I have called it Ps.annulatus Yellow.
> Tim
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