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Re: Giving AKA away (was Re: Aphyosemion sjoestedti)
Well, Bill Bishop is a good start! You now have two people and you only
need three to make a club :o) I don't think there is a local killie club in
that area of the world, but there is the Canadian KA, which is a national
club. Someone in that group might contact you to tell you about it. Brian
Watters lives in Regina, which is not too far from you and you will
probably get to meet him some time, as I think he makes occasional visits
to talk to the club in Saskatoon. Brian is a long time member and great
supporter of the AKA.
Your plans to introduce killies to others, especially to youngsters are
wonderful. Regarding selling to local aquarium stores, lots of people do
it. There is the risk that you identify, that they will mess up the names
and not be able to emphasize the importance of locality IDs etc. However,
maybe you can ask them to refer anyone who shows interest to you. The
problem with only selling males is that you might end up with a lot of
females that you would have to somehow dispose of, which might not be the
nicest thing for the fish. I don't think you are breaking any ethical rules
to sell them pairs, but it would be helpful if they are willing to listen
and learn too, allowing you to educate them a little.
> I live in Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada. I am already a member of my
>local aquarium society and I think my local club is limited to Bill Bishop
>who gave me my first killies when I joined the SAS (Saskatoon Aquarium
>Society). I haven't heard of many killie keepers in my area, and don't
>think there are any oganizations, if anyone knows of one I would be
>interested in where it is.
> As for my future plans I hope to (money and fish permitting of course)
>to set up killie tanks at local schools and departments at the university
>and urge those that take a fancy to these fish to join the AKA. As part of
>them joining I would give them eggs/breeders from the tanks in the school.
>This is my little way to give back to an organization that I think is a very
>good one, and to get people interested in a fasinating little fish.
> Just as a side note I would like opinions on a subject. I have a local
>pet store wanting to buy some killies from me, but I am hesitant to sell
>them to the pet store for fear that people will mix simmilar types and
>therefore creating undefined fish. The other option I came up with (really
>wanting other people to have the opotunity to get into these fish) was to
>only sell males to the pet store and tell anyone who wantde to seriously
>breed them to call me and I would sell them a female, on the stipulation
>that they were correctly informed and properly equiped to propogate the
>spiecies. Just looking for some other opions as to this (I really don't
>want to break any codes of ethics here).
>>From: "Barry J. Cooper" <bjc3 at cornell_edu>
>>Reply-To: killietalk at aka_org
>>To: killietalk at aka_org
>>Subject: Re: Giving AKA away (was Re: Aphyosemion sjoestedti)
>>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:43:25 -0400
>>Let me say up front that there are a variety of opinions about how much the
>>AKA should offer for free, and how much it should offer as a membership
>>privilege. The policy of the AKA is to disseminate information about
>>killiefish and to encourage interest in this particular branch of the
>>aquarium hobby. To that end we provide the AKA site, which is unrestricted
>>and offers information about the fish, with pictures, the latter being a
>>good way to get people excited about killies. We offer the killietalk list,
>>which is also unrestricted, in which AKA members and non-members alike are
>>willing to offer advice. We have recently offered the Fish and Egg Listing
>>online, delayed to coincide with the arrival of the paper copy, so as not
>>to actually disadvantage those members who do not have or choose to use,
>>online access. As the online world changes, these offerings will no doubt
>>expand, particularly as more and more members have access. Most of such
>>online offerings will be available to non-members too. My position on it,
>>at least, is that if non-members have a chance to keep some of these fish
>>they will become interested in joining the AKA for the fellowship it offers
>>as much as concrete benefits.
>>The AKA also undertakes projects that I dare say no free online group or
>>oganization will ever offer. Some of these entail significant investment of
>>real US dollars. The Wildekamp volumes are one example. JAKA is another.
>>The upcoming Killifish Master Index is a third, and so on. In order to be
>>able to produce such things the AKA must have operating funds and must
>>charge something to recoup the costs. Having said that, I know of nobody in
>>the AKA who would deny information and advice to a newcomer, especially to
>>someone, such as a student, who has real financial limitations. I dare say
>>that if you contact your local affiliate club you will be welcomed to
>>attend meetings and might even be given fish. More people in the AKA give
>>away fish than any comparable organization that I know of.
>>Jill, I urge you to find out where your nearest affiliate club is and try
>>it. I'll bet you will be impressed. Tell us where you live and we'll help
>>you make contact.
>> > I am not a member of the AKA, yet, not because I don't want to be,
>> >because scraping together $24 US isn't a simple as some might think.
>> >a student and living on my own many other thing come up. I work, but any
>> >extra money goes to my fish. I have been putting a couple of buck away
>> >every month to join and hopefully can borrow my grandmother's credit card
>> > I appreciate the info I get on this list, I don't know where I would
>> >without it. I am a member of my local aquarium society, but I do want to
>> >join the AKA. Some of us non members are not member simply because we
>> >afford it, not because we don't want to be. I joined this list because I
>> >wanted to know more about the fish I love and the wealth of knowledge I
>> >encountering is phenomenal.
>> > So please give us a break here, we want to learn just as much as the
>> >people who join. Should knowledge only be reserved for those who can pay
>> >for it?
>> >>From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
>> >>Reply-To: killietalk at aka_org
>> >>To: killietalk at aka_org
>> >>Subject: Giving AKA away (was Re: Aphyosemion sjoestedti)
>> >>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:36:23 -0700
>> >>Karl Doering wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill another give away for free for non AKA members.Why join .You are
>> >> > generous with other peoples contribution.to the AKA .
>> >>Karl, I agree that we are making "contributions" to the hobby we love.
>> >>I, personally, tend to be offended by the rest of your statement. The
>> >>I treasure in the AKA are those who contribute *both* time and money to
>> >>improve the hobby and disseminate such knowledge.
>> >>I pay my AKA dues, knowing that it will help us all have a more
>> >>and rich hobby, not just to get some "Cracker Jacks" toy prize. YMMV.
>> >>If we extend your argument to its logical conclusion, we should charge
>> >>enough dues that all the BOT and Chair positions could be salaried, and
>> >>it a real business.
>> >>Otherwise, we need to accept that it is fun recreation, with remarkable
>> >>opportunity to learn. That learning is useless if hoarded. IMHO, the AKA
>> >>would shrivel and die if it took the attitude that its information was
>> >>there to be spread throughout the hobby. I don't see any reason why we
>> >>shouldn't pay cost plus a little more for special publications like KMI
>> >>the Wildekamp series, as not all members get the same satisfaction from
>> >>them. Nevertheless, stuff already in the public domain that we can make
>> >>accessible is a valuable service to the hobby, isn't it?
>> >>Wright Huntley, Fremont CA, USA, 510 494-8679 huntleyone at home dot
>> >> "DEMOCRACY" is two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch.
>> >> "LIBERTY" is a well-armed lamb denying enforcement of the vote.
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