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Re: The future is now.
You are entitled to start any online killie club or method of communication
that you wish. However, I feel that I have to disagree on a few things you
say, and I'll emphasize that I mean these comments in the most friendly
First, you can "stumble" on the the AKA web site using any of the popular
search engines. Do a search on Yahoo for killies and see what comes up.
I'll save you the effort - it will be a link to the AKA site.
Second, from the AKA site you can find lots of information including
pictures. To imply that the AKA or people on killietalk won't allow you to
look at pictures is absurd. Killietalk does not accept attachements for
very good reasons - viruses and worms. We have had experiences where
viruses wereinadvertently posted to the list and thus distributed widely.
We cannot risk that. The AKA site has a wonderful collection of quality
pictures. I am willing to add more if people contribute them, as long as
they are of high quality. I think that is important.
Third, there have been very, very few flame wars on killietalk. Have you
been on other lists? Many of them have far greater problems with
intemperate postings than this one does, including some that are aquarium
and even killie specific. I would argue that killietalk is an extremely
friendly place. Newcomers post questions and get tons of helpful advice
from other members of the list. People can and will disagree sometimes,
which is fine as long as they are polite, which they generally have been on
Fourth, nobody ever says "Join the AKA or I will not give you any advice".
Your statement to that effect is wrong and misleading.
Fifth, if you post a wrong name you may, and probably will, be corrected.
The way that happens may seem over zealous to you, but the maintenance of
high standards of nomenclature is important to killie hobbyists. When
sending a message correcting someone it is easy to seem curt when no slight
I hope you will take this as intended, as a friendly response to your
message. However, I felt that I had to respond because your message was
unfair to the AKA and to the people that make this list the success that it
is. By the way, this list has about 600 participants.
>How did you find your first killie? Were you looking for it? How did you
>find the AKA? Were you looking for it? Most people (I imagine) stumble
>into killies. They are rarely found in pet shops and only occasionally
>featured in Magazines. Once stumbled -- the hobby starts. :-)
>It's hard to stumble into killietalk - that is you have to look for it or be
>told that it exists. New killie keepers will be solicited and then
>nurtured. I hate to say this -- but -- examine how fast growing religions
>acquire and keep new members. I'll say no more so as not to offend in this
>Yahoo is an in your face presence that is (I think) the most visited site in
>the world. Club listing are seen by casual browsers who stumble on them and
>check them out. At least that's how many of the betta splendens club
>members came into that fold. Many look and don't stay -- but many stay and
>contribute, and a suprising number purchase their first Betta after joining.
>Killietalk is great for AKA members, but let's face it. It's not a friendly
>place especially for non AKA folks. Want to test this? Post a message with
>html formatting (by accident) and see how it's received. Or, just for kicks
>and grins make a newbie mistake like looking for N. mistakei "USA" and see
>what gets said next. Killie talk is where you can be told that you can't
>look at my pictures or know what I've learned about killies unless you have
>the $25 to join up. Or put your own fish and egg listing in killietalk and
>see what private email you receive. Uh-Um! that is for the BNL (I lose - I
>said it!) Thank You. In all fairness killietalk is not as hostile as it was
>a year or so ago when flame wars raged for days at a time. But that's why
>I'm back -- for better or worse.
>R. Scott Page
>Nothing is so difficult but that
>it may be found out by seeking
> Terence 185 - 159 BC
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Barry J. Cooper Phone: (607)253-3336
Dept. Biomedical Sciences email: bjc3 at cornell_edu
College of Veterinary Medicine
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853
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