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Re: March BNL

Hi all,
I have left the below unaltered because there are many points in here that
disturb me greatly. Perhaps I am becoming too old and hence my feelings are
archaic. Perhaps also I am among the few who will maintain a sense of
loyalty to an organization that has provided me with endless hours of
enjoyment along with many hours of frustration.
I am referring mainly to the statement that the AKA is no longer needed to
purchase fish and eggs. I am aware of Mr. Ellers list and to date I have not
either listed or purchased. It is not that I am against Mr. Eller's list but
out of a sense of loyalty to the organization that has allowed me make  the
friends and contacts over these many years , I have chosen not to do so. I
am sure that eventually if things progress as they have been , I will be
forced to use this list once the AKA's demise is complete.
As I see it ,the mainstay of the AKA all these years has been the Fish & Egg
Listing. Without it being utilized ,the fate of the AKA is certain.
No monthly BNL to carp about, no JAKA to read from cover to cover and
perhaps worst of all ,no annual conention to attend.

Over these last 5 years or so I have become involved in the politics of the
AKA and having seen this eventuality , have tried to move the organization
towards the future, even to the point of creating enemies
 out of people who once considered me a friend. To read some of the
statements made below causes me to think that perhaps the AKA wll be no
more. Greed has become the dominant force in fishdom also.
I have also tried to entice younger folks to become involved in the
politics of the organization but perhaps our younger folks feel no sense of
loyalty  and are willing to discard the AKA as we throw out everything else
in this society nowadays. As in baseball ,gone are the days when a "player"
stays with the team because that team is where he got his first atbat and
maybe his first good year. The team becomes expendable as the lure of
dollars looms into his field of vision and obscures any sense of home
feelings.

I apologize if my feeling this way offends anyone but it is something I felt
I must say.
Flames on!

Ted Klotz
9969 Bethel Rd.
Remsen,NY 13438
-----Original Message-----
From: William Vannerson <William_Vannerson at ama-assn_org>
To: killietalk at aka_org <killietalk at aka_org>
Date: Thursday, March 30, 2000 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: March BNL


>>>I don't have my BNL either, but I think this is a conspiracy from all of
>you guys who want the BNL on the web.<<
>
>I'm the one behind the grassy knowl.
>
>BTW, this may rub some folks the wrong way, but the issue is quickly
becoming a moot point.  The printed F&E listing is starting to become a
non-issue.  And, therefore, is decreasing in value as a member benifit.
It's not at a point yet where it's worthless yet, because it is still
invaluable to many members.  However, the electronic media has made
significant inroads into the F&E territory and will continue to do so.
>
>I have a friend, a great killifish breeder with beatiful fish, who
exclusivly posts his aailable fish on the Killie Trader list that was set up
by Jim Eller (nice job, Jim).  He quickly sells out his inventory within
days.  He's an AKA member and sells to both members and non-members on the
list.  He never posts his fish on Killie Talk or the Killies list, and never
advertises in the BNL.
>
>Some may view this as bad news.  But the bottom line is that he moves his
fish quickly to many different folks, which promotes the hobby.   And he
does so in less than half the time it would take to even get his list posted
in the BNL.
>
>Jim's Killie Trader list has approx. 500 subscribers and is growing.  And,
more importantly, it works.
>
>What does this mean for the AKA?
>
>1. There are many fine fish that are available for sale to which
non-internet members have no access or opportunity to buy.
>
>2. Non-internet members are losing market opportunity to the internet
buyers because their fish are not as accessable to the net.  The on-line F&E
is wonderfull.  And I commend all that have taken it to this stage, as we
all know it wasn't an easy thing to do, and the jury is still out as this is
a trial program.  But the delay posting is not benifiting no-internet
members, it's hurting them.
>
>Before the flames start to pour in, let me state that I do not have a great
personal stake in this matter, other than a concerned AKA member with an
opunion of helping the organization.  I have neither listed nor ought from
the F&E lusting in the BNL.  All of my fish transactions were either from
the internet lists or from club auctions and club member deals.  So if the
F&E remains delayed or is reverted back to print only, it's no skin off of
my nose, because it's not worth much as resource to me.
>
>So, IMHO, the best solution is to adopt the media, no embrace it.  The AKA
should be a leader in this role.  Fully integrate the print and electronic
media to better the hobby and to further the AKA's objectives.  I would
encourage real-time listing of the F&E on the web site as well as a
broadcast email on the Killie Trader list.  Likewise, listings on Killie
trade could be compiled for print in the BNL, by request of the lister.  The
latter may be moot as the time lag between the net offering and the print
offering may result in no more fish available by the time the BNL hits the
mail box.  Hence, the option for the lister to not cross-list if he or she
feels there is not enough inventory to supply both markets.
>
>Such cooperation would have to be coordinated between the AKA and Jim
Eller, with whom I have not discussed this at all, so it's sort of
blind-siding him (sorry, Jim).  But we're fortunate, really, the the Killie
Trader list was set up by an AKA member who supports the AKA.  It could have
been very easily set up by someone who could give hoot, and try to use it to
further his or her own ideals.
>
>*** Off My Quarterly Soap Box *** (are't ou glad it's not monthly any more
<s>?)
>
>>>Maybe this will wakeup Mudpuddle, I miss his bedside manner.<<
>
>Yeah!  Where are you, Chris?  Your thoughts and coments usually brought a
much needed smile to my face.
>
>
>Bill Vannerson
>McHenry, IL
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson
>
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