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BOUNCE killietalk at aka_org: Non-member submission from ["Nako Nakov" <nnakov at mbox_infotel.bg>]
I usually use old water with methylen blue, but my wife reached very good
results using a little piece of Java moss and 2-3 Cyclops as a live filter
in 150-200 ml of water together with the eggs. That successful test was done
by my wife with Striatum eggs, using white Cyclops (I'm not specialist in
Cyclops species), but some other Cyclops species (bigger and dark) can eat
the eggs together with the water fungus and bacterias.
Nako Nakov
Bulgaria
-----Original Message-----
From: Wright Huntley <huntley1 at home_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Date: четвъвтък, Февруари 03, 2000 09:49
Subject: Re: Hatching water
>I think Peter's method works well for some fish in some water. IDK what his
>Hawaii water is like, but he did mostly W. Africans in very soft Palo Alto
>water when he lived here. Ideal for many of those fishes!
>
>I have lived in "liquid rock" country (Santa Clara) and intermediate hard
>(Fremont) where that didn't seem to work as well on those fish types. Many
>Nothos and SA annuals do great in my harder water. Many mop-spawners seem
to
>have trouble hatching if the Ca+/Mg+ or CO3- (IDK which) are too high. Some
>fish won't even spawn in 300 ppm water in the first generation or two from
>the wild. [My wild Bettas are often particularly touchy about this.]
>
>I mix some RO (up to 80-100%) for the fussier wild fish to live in, and am
>starting to think that lowering tds gradually on the eggs of those spawning
>in harder water is probably beneficial. I start them in Petrie dishes of
>tank water, and do 50% daily changes with RO to slowly acclimate them to
the
>low tds without too much osmotic shock. I could do it much quicker if I
used
>salt (in RO), as Peter does, and just matched tds.
>
>These are all impressions, because it would take too much time for me to do
>really good experiments. The amount of RO (or distilled water is tiny) so
>this might make a great science fair project. The results would interest
>many of us, here.
>
>Since Steven requested some "prosaic wax," here's one thought for
>consideration:
>
>Tank water usually has a healthy, if invisible, collection of infusoria
>growing in it. That infusoria feeds on bacteria and fungal spores.
>Originally pointed out to me by David Gurr, I have observed that small
>amounts of new water with and without a sprig of Java moss have enormous
>differences in clarity after a few days. The plant seems to act like a
>filter. I assume it is attached rotifers doing the job, so I usually add a
>small sprig to my egg Petrie dishes. The result seems to be less bacteria
>(the precursor to fungus) and sparkling water clarity. This might explain
>Gunnar's observation. No?
>
>Wright
>
>Peter Tirbak wrote:
>>
>> I have always used fresh, aged water with a little salt in it, and have
>> always done well.
>>
>> Peter Tirbak
>>
>> > From: gunnar asblom <agakilli at algonet_se>
>> > Reply-To: killietalk at aka_org
>> > Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 01:26:51 -0800
>> > To: killietalk at aka_org
>> > Subject: Re: Hatching water
>> >
>> > halbasch at es_com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In most of the books and web messages relating to egg storage or
hatching it
>> >> is usually stressed to use the water that the eggs came from. It would
seem
>> >> that fresh aged water, of the same temperature , pH etc, would be
wiser. I
>> >> haven't read or heard of the reasoning behind the practice - other
than it
>> >> works. Anyone care to elucidate and wax prosaic?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Steven G Halbasch
>> >>
>> >> Layton, Utah
>> >> ---------------
>> >> See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe
>> > If I use fresh aged water instead of water from the tanks I will have
>> > problem with fungus.
>> > Gunnar.
>> > ---------------
>
>
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