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Subject: peter.unmack at ASU_Edu: Re: NANFA mail--Robert Rice: The recently adopted Endangered species program of NANFA's
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From: robertrice at juno_com (robert a rice)
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:47:56 PST
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Subject: Re: NANFA mail--Robert Rice: The recently adopted Endangered
species program of NANFA's
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:29:02 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970115160931.21197O-100000 at general2_asu.edu>
A few comments to add.
> NANFA ENDANGERED SPECIES CONSERVATION PROGRAM
> I have always felt "well, there is not much I can do because
> the government would not let me breed endangered species with
> the regulations in place."
If the fish is listed on the endangered species act it is illegal to have
them in your possesion without paperwork except if you can prove you had
the species prior to its listing. I imagine most state endangered fish
lists are the same. In Arizona it is illegal to keep any AZ native
species.
> Many species are not yet being held in captivity and it's very
> difficult to get individual permits to collect these. The Fish
> and Wildlife Service has several good reasons it is very
> reluctant to approve individuals to legally collect these
I would forget about the USFWS for the time being as they are a pain to
work with. You are much better to work with state game and fish
departments. I don't know much about the situation in the east, but I
have been working with Nevada Division of Wildlife through a couple of
Californian clubs. Most of the cooperative work that they have been
doing is habitat based, ie, cleaning out exotic species, supervised fish
counts etc. However, there are 4-5 species for which they would like to
obtain information on breeding biology in captivity so that if numbers
should ever drop they can do something about it with confidence. These
fish are all low level state listed (thus paperwork is easier). However,
the permit stipulation would be that fish can not be passed on from the
permittee (it would be permitted to individual people, not the club).
Fish bred would have to be killed or donated to a public aquarium. The
primary reason for this is that they are listed (you can't distinguish
wild caught from captive raised fish) and they don't want people to have
any chance of doing their own conservation work by releasing them
somewhere else. No doubt these kind of issues will vary state to state.
All this is possible because NV has a sympathetic and severely
understaffed non game branch (up until recently 1 fish biologist for the
whole state!) who needs all the help he can get. If a group is
interested in working with this I can probably get the ball rolling. I
will not do it though unless I feel the recipients are likely to have
sufficient experience to do it. The species include Lepidomeda (Virgin
River species), Gila bicolor subspecies, Rhinichthys. I don't have the
exact list handy, but I think that is some of what they suggest we apply
for. The key with these kind of projects is to start small and build up
credibility. Once the club has a good track record then start hitting
the USFWS.
> Aquarium for Wildlife Conservation and Dave Schleser at the
> Dallas Aquarium are actively looking for serious aquarists to
> help keep several species alive. The AKA protocol does not
> allow them to give them to individual aquarists. They are,
> however, willing to donate them to a club that maintains a
> serious record-keeping system. In addition, we need to gather
> the data on breeding techniques and put it in the same data
> base.
There are several fishes here that nanfa should apply for including
several Cyprinodons, Megupsilon, 2 or more Xiphophorus, goodeids. All
species which are typically easy to raise and either extinct in the wild
or nearly so. There are a few people keeping these fishes, but not
enough.
I think the key thing is to get to know your local non game biologists
(if
they exist) and find out what you can do to help and build a relationship
with them.
Tootles
Peter J Unmack peter.unmack at asu_edu
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