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Re: NFC: new blue pike pics up
Hi Jake,
I have not fished in that Lake very much as most of the land around it is
private so its hard to get to, but I would estimate it at around 30 feet or
so at its deepest point, I don't see the eyes as being that much bigger but
maybe all the walleyes around here have larger eyes than others maybe do to
hybridation? If you fish at night around here and the moon is going in and
out of clouds it seems to bother the Walleyes eyes and they won't bite. The
picture shows them in Canadotha Lake so I will try harder this year to fish
there and get some. Maybe I can get some fry in minnow traps? I am trying to
get a permit from the state to allow me to collect and posses any fish of
any size so maybe I will get lucky on both points (plus I know some Fish and
Boating Commission People) The fish and game depts. also do surveys by
electro shock and large nets maybe I can see if they can do that in Candotha
lake to get some stock. My question is has anyone every been able to grow
Walleyes in small farm type ponds? I would think that would be a way to go
about doing some more serious breeding. I have relatives with small (1 acre)
ponds that at this time do not have any Walleyes in them the depth of the
ponds maxes out at about 8-10 feet so that might be to shallow (but they are
FULL of 24"+ Bass! very big for up here)
Also you mentioned zebra mussels. The state did find out that the goby
infestation that plaguing Lake Erie is actually eating the Zebra mussels.
The only problem is that a lot of the mussels are full of PCBs and other
toxins which get into the gobies, then small mouth and other fish eat the
gobies and then people eat the small mouth. This is going to be the next big
problem around here. Also a lot of the Lakes around here are starting to
show populations of Zebra mussels. They get there when they are in the Larva
form in live wells and bait buckets, and also possibly attached to boats,
trailers, and props. Lake Edenboro around here is heavily infested with
them. It flows into French Creek, which flows into the Allegheny which flows
into the Mississippi. If they find there way into the Mississippi its all
over! Right now they don't seem to be doing well in the faster moving water
of streams and in Lake Edenboro over the last two winters they have been
draining the lake down to expose the mussels to freezing ice and snow which
kills them.
Wally
----- Original Message -----
From: jake levi <jlevi_us at yahoo_com>
To: <nfc at actwin_com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: NFC: new blue pike pics up
> Hi Wally
> the pics posted the other day do show larger eyes then
> I am used to seeing on walleyes. Purer strain?? How
> deep is that lake?
>
> There could well be hybrids that confuse the issue and
> strengthen a belief for one variable species,but the
> ones pictured dont look like a hybrid to me, or even a
> variant.
>
> Ideally the state would be best, or a federal program,
> but these are a long time funding, been there on both,
> its hair pulling frustrating. The simplest and
> quickest solution is to privately obtain some 'blue
> walleyes' and do a private program. This could be a
> project of either NFA or NANFA. Broodstock/'rescues'
> can be held/maintained in the 300 gal poly 'horse
> tanks' quite well. Waiting on the state or feds to
> fund a program for research and propagation could be
> to see our grandkids find out the results, we'd be
> history ourselves. And absolutely no certainty that
> the program would have any continuity.
>
> I agree on the taste of walleyes, one of my
> favorites.I have a tacklebox dedicated to 'walleye
> plugs' :-)
>
> I would love to find out survey results on
> when/where/depth of those blues caught. The blues are
> one of those projects that keep teasing the brain,
> like finding out if there is a species of sturgeon
> that will feed on the juvenile or younger zebra
> mussels.
> jake
>
> --- Wally Billingham
> <wallybillingham at wallybillingham_com> wrote:
> > Hi Jake,
> > A program like that would be possible here in N.W.
> > PA. They did farm and
> > stock them by the thousands from what I am told in
> > the 1950s and 60s but the
> > interest in them died off. Most people around here
> > consider them to be just
> > darker walleyes and unfortunately there is not a lot
> > of interest. Sport
> > fishing is very big around here both in Lake Eire
> > and all of the lakes and
> > reservoirs around here, and Walleyes are a very
> > popular game fish so it
> > could happen if the State would get behind it, but
> > they seem to be more
> > interested in the production of trout. Its kinda
> > like we don't know what we
> > may have. When I lived in Colorado out of towners
> > thought that hunting
> > Antelope was very cool and would come all the way
> > out west to do it, but
> > most of the locals did not bother because they don't
> > taste very good. Most
> > of the local sport fishermen don't get it and
> > educating them is going to be
> > the biggest issue.
> >
> > People do catch them from time to time in Lake Erie
> > and some of the other
> > lakes but to most of us they are just darker
> > walleyes. I don't see from the
> > pictures on the site that they have larger eyes than
> > regular walleyes they
> > are just darker/bluish. I have gotten several of the
> > "blue walleyes" in the
> > past, but never thought that they were anything but
> > darker walleyes and I am
> > not sure that they are that different to be honest
> > with you. Just like
> > largemouth bass can be almost black to very light,
> > almost silver even in the
> > same body of water.
> >
> > I would bet that they are much more common than is
> > thought but they are just
> > never reported. Around here Walleyes are the
> > favorite eating fish and most
> > of them are eaten within 24hrs without much thought.
> > While you would rush
> > out and get that lunker trout or bass mounted you
> > wouldn't do that with
> > walleyes for the most part. They are just to common
> > which is a shame.
> >
> > Wally
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jake levi <jlevi_us at yahoo_com>
> > To: <nfc at actwin_com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: NFC: new blue pike pics up
> >
> >
> > > My suggestion is to post a reward for LIVING ones
> > on
> > > as many ice fishermens 'haunts' as possible. It
> > > wouldnt take a lot, even five would be a great
> > start.
> > > Just advertise for the 'blue phase' of the
> > walleye.
> > > Walleyes
> > > are workeable in captive breeding and have been
> > for
> > > some time. Do we have any places to get them to
> > within
> > > PA for this or do we need to find one?
> > > jake
> > >
> > > --- Christian J Hedemark <chris at yonderway_com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Somebody REALLY needs to get some alive and do
> > > > some
> > > > > captive breeding with them, shouldnt be hard
> > to
> > > > get a
> > > > > permit to keep walleyes.
> > > >
> > > > But something tells me it won't be easy.
> > Remember
> > > > how they stocked blue
> > > > pike all over creation in the northeast? And in
> > how
> > > > many locations did they
> > > > actually get established? They seem awfully
> > > > specialized from what I can
> > > > tell.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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