Robert, I`m not interested in taking the Leadership of the Breeders program, however I`m willing to work with who ever does. Ray Port Jefferson Long Island, NY <*)))><\ ~~~~~~ AKA #07726 Long Island Aquarium Society Come join us! Meetings 3rd Friday each month @ Holtsville Zoo and Ecology Center, Buckly Rd. Holtsville L.I. NY Contact raysuy at webtv_net http:members.xoom.com/liaquasoc/
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- To: nfc at actwin_com
- Subject: Re: NFC: Breeders program needs some help
- From: robert a rice <robertrice at juno_com>
- Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 15:56:44 -0400
Well I think we will be makeing some changes to the BP. If any one out there would lijke to take a leadership position in the BP please chime in. Serious folks only need apply :) Robert Rice Save those Fishes Join the Native Fish Conservancy http://www.nativefish.org On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:01:23 -0400 "Joshua L. Wiegert" <Wiegerj at paul_paulsmiths.edu> writes: > Gah. > I had this all typed out, and ... WHAM computer reboots. :p > > I agree with you, Robert, that the program has some flaws and needs > to > be worked out. > I, for instance, received shipments of Breeders Fish from both you > and > Klaus. You had sent me a bunch of flagfins, and later, Klaus sent > me a > great bunch of darters. > I was supposed to breed them, however: I failed. > The flagfins, unfortunately, all died. The darters, due to issues > with > tank space and such, as well as certain things getting in the way of > finishing my darter tank (<cough> Fiancee <cough>) were left at > home, > while I'm here at school. They'll be coming with me to Maryland, > though. :) > > Its hard to come right out and admit "I failed." THis is especially > true for those of us grouped in the "supposidly reputable folks" > category. However, my guess is there are a lot of other people out > there who failed. We're working with living fish. Sometimes, they > don't cooperate and, worse yet, sometimes they die. Its > unavoidable, > and there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying, "I failed." > > However, I do have a suggestion on the program. If we allow it to > go as > it goes now, it'll become a stress and strain on the people who are > volunteering for it. That means that we'll lose these people, and > eventually the program. > > 1: The receiver pays all shipping costs. Period. This includes > costs > of boxes, bags, etc. > 2: When someone first receives fish, a "deposit" is required. This > deposit is taken and invested in the NFC. Some of it can go to the > collector or shipper as compensation. When/if the fish are bred and > histories given, then the receiver can get up to 50% of the deposit > back > and/or other fish. > 3: Limit the fish available to first timers. These can be fish > that we > know a little about, are easy to collect, and so forth, such as the > flagfins. When they show -- outright show -- that they can breed > these, > they can move on and get the more interesting stuff. Obviously, > having > even first timers work on redundant species is not overly desirable, > so > the list would have to be ever expanding. > > These are just some thoughts I had on it. > -- > end > ____^__ > ><,Darwin,> > Joshua L. Wiegert > NFC Lists Administrator > Wiegerj at paulsmiths_edu > www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/1680/ > owner-nfc at actwin_com > ICQ 69551951 AIM UID: Etheosoma > Feel free to contact me by any of the above means for any reason. > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-= > tIqDaq HoSna' tu'lu' nIteb Qob quD jup 'e' chaw'be' > SuvwI' > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-= > NFC Lists include the main 'NFC' list, 'NFC-Digest,' 'NFCBreeders' > and > the > Fish Wish List (FWL). To subscribe to any of these, e-mail > Majordomo at actwin_com with the command subscribe <listname>. To > unsubscribe, use the command unsubscribe <list>. Help returns a > list of > other commands, or feel free to contact me at Owner-NFC at actwin_com. > All > lists are @actwin.com. Come join us and chat about our native > fishes, or > visit http://www.nativefish.org! > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-= > > > > robert a rice wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > Im a bit frustrated with the breeders program . Its two goals one > being > > financially self supporting and two to produce life histories are > not > > occurring. Its not the problem of the Bill Duzen and Charles > Anderton > > administrative team. The problem lies in our passing out of fishes > . We > > have passed out boxes and boxes of fishes to suppossedly highley > > reputable folks like school teachers, youth leaders etc and we get > > nothing . Many of them wont even answer emails back. Somehow the > breeders > > program has failed to attract people who are serious about > breeding fish. > > instead we are attracting people serious about getting free fish > mainly > > from me luke and Bill . i frankly am tired of it. See without > breeders > > reports and accoutability whats the point ? ANyhow if any list > members > > have some input on rules changes that have worked with the AKA or > local > > aquarium society to stop the free loading and start the breeding > let us > > know. > > > > PS. In case you think we just havent been passing out fish long > enough > > speaking for myself Ive sent out 50 plus boxes of fish in the last > 18 > > months.Most of them at my expense. You figure out what the postage > on 50 > > plus boxes is. To get 3-4 life histories is rather frustrating. I > know > > the others feel the same way. > > > > Enough listening to me complain now get back to fishing :) > > > > Robert Rice > > Save those Fishes > > Join the Native Fish Conservancy > > http://www.nativefish.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Robert Rice Save those Fishes Join the Native Fish Conservancy http://www.nativefish.org ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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