Fortunately i have 90% of the JAKA's going way back to the beginning... If this did come out on CD or DvD , then i could sell or give away all these copies in my bookshelf.... John Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9. Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/ Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk