RE: "Extinct" pupfish (longish)-even longer

[owner-killietalk at aka_org (by way of Barry Cooper <bjc3 at cornell_edu>)]

Bruce,

I got involved with efforts to "conserve" Fund. julisia over 15 years ago.
After some effort I was able to acquire a permit to keep them under the
condition that I returned half of what I produced back to Tennessee for
restocking.  I did that and 42 "F-1"s were returned and stocked (by CFI)
into a candidate stream.  According to Pat (of CFI), they didn't establish
themselves in the stream.  I was able to renew my permit and obtained some
additional wild fish during the CFI fall survey one year.  The following
year I provided CFI (Conservation Fisheries, Inc for those of you who don't
know Pat, JR and Peggy) with 125 young adults which were used to restock
another candidate stream.  I don't remember if they had any success with
those fish either.  Recently I tried to obtain a permit once more for the
BTM's (Barren Top Minnows as Fund. julisia is commonly called) and was told
by TWR (Tenn. Wildlife Resources) that they were not allowing the fish to
leave the state.  It is hard to understand that one cannot obtain a permit
when they have done everything the state has asked in the past.

Another interesting note is that the endangered habitat for the BTM's, owned
by private land owners, has been available for purchased at least once or
twice.  It had been suggested to the Tennessee branch of the Nature
Conservancy to purchase these properties but they whiffed on both accounts.
Their rationale was that purchasing fish habitat was not cost effective,
i.e., they could not purchase enough habitat to assure survival.  I believe
some education is needed here as well since they seemed to think they would
have to purchase the whole watershed rather than a few key acres.  The type
habitat for the BTM's is the old Joe Banks residence which is just a spring
fed pond probably only a half acre in size next to the homestead.  The other
large site is the only Tennessee River basin site (the others drain to the
Cumberland), the former Fultz farm.  This site is a large headwater pool fed
by several subterranean springs (2+ acres of surface area) which is also
home to a few other threatened species (known now as the Spring Pond site).
I do know that when old Mrs. Fultz died the Nature Conservancy did make a
proposal but the heirs thought they could had a large payday at the NC's
expense but the NC didn't play that game.

As for the old Joe Banks site, we are at lest two owners later and I believe
there is a working agreement with the TWR and the NC; however, BTM's do
"escape" from the pond, over the weir through the culvert under the roadway
into a neighbor's pasture where the farmer keeps his cattle.  The "julisia"
cannot get much further (at least this was the case a few years ago) because
the escape route is heavily polluted by a "trailer park" just below the
pasture.  Many academic researchers are also aware of this and feel the BTMs
in the pasture are fair game since they are doomed anyway.  The farmer, who
is more concerned about his cattle and the integrity of his electric fence,
does not take kindly to these trespassers and has expressed a desire to
perform a midnight correction to the source of his aggravation (or as Wright
points out, a few bottles of Clorox applied at the right place).

Dave Koran

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Stallsmith [mailto:fundulus at hotmail_com]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:20 AM
To: KillieTalk at AKA_Org
Subject: RE: "Extinct" pupfish (longish)-even longer


Dave, thank you for that recent history on Devil's Hole Pupfish and other
natives in the Nevada area. The possibility that Las Vegas is on a water
grab with the various aquifers reinforces my belief that federal protection
of both the species and especially habitat is necessary. As to any research
work with these species, I would think that captive-reared specimens would
work for most purposes. My lingering qualms with dependence on hobbyist
production of such specimens isn't that many hobbyists couldn't do it, but
rather a question of who's in it for the long haul. Al Castro and others did

commendable work. But FWS people responsible for these fish were just that,
responsible. That takes the form of annyoing paperwork and all that.

I've seen endangered fishes in north Alabama that are restricted to one or
two habitats, not unlike Cyp. diabolis. The rush darter, Etheostoma
phytophilum, is an endangered species with two disjunct populations. One of
these populations is in what looks like a roadside ditch formed by a paved
over spring along a suburban strip highway outside Birmingham, with a bus
company yard adjoining. Given that Birmingham is growing like Atlanta has
been lately, this population is toast without some protection. I guess it
gets into values too, how many people really care about it? That will also
determine the fate of Cyp. diabolis. Water or funny fish, you choose!

--Bruce Stallsmith
Huntsville, AL, US of A

 >Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:06:19 -0800
 >From: owner-killietalk at aka_org (by way of Barry Cooper <bjc3 at cornell_edu>)
 >Subject: RE: "Extinct" pupfish (longish)-even longer
 >
 >Dr. Bruce, Mr. Wright, et. al.
 >
 >About 10 years when I started a series of visits to Ash Meadows I began a
 >discussion with the then range biologist, Doug Treloff, about what a fish
 >hobbyist could do to help in the effort to conserve the pupfish.  Being at
 >a
 >distance it was difficult to get involved with the maintenance effort like
 >the current Desert Springs Action Committee does in assisting with the
 >elimination of exotics and removal of the salt cedar which "wicks up" a
 >temendous amount of water through transpiration and limits the size of the
 >aqueous habitat.  Doug felt that there was not enough known about the
 >husbandry of these fish so that intelligent design choices could be made in
 >constructing these artifical refugia.
 >
 >Later, during Dave St. George's first stint as range biologist, the new
 >refugium at Point of Rocks Spring (several hundred yards from Devil's Hole)
 >was in operation for only a couple of seasons.  It was the first attempt to
 >try to design habitat other than the concrete tank approach.  If I recall,
 >the refuge had a cavern type design but was oriented to maximize algae
 >growth on the concrete walls.   The refuge is not only surrounded by a gate
 >but has a locked, chain-link, sliding gate over the artifical pool.  For
 >the
 >first two years, reproduction of pups in the refuge was not too good and
 >the
 >sex ratio was terribly skewed to males.  Water for the refuge came from an
 >upslope spring where part of the water is diverted from the spring to the
 >refuge.  Without the benefit of association with a large body of water like
 >at Devil's Hole, water in the refugium would cool significantly during the
 >colder winter weather and the refugium was covered with a translucent cover
 >during winter months to retain heat.  But the cover was removed in the
 >spring to enhance the growth of algae figuring the increased food source
 >was
 >the trigger for reproduction.  What this ended up causing was a much
 >narrower window for which the water in the refugium stayed above a "magic"
 >82 F temperature.  Based on some observations on sex-temperature ratio
 >results I had seen with other killies I suggested to Dave that maybe
 >keeping
 >the cover on the refugium longer (reducing nighttime cooling) might
 >lengthen
 >the spawning season and correct the sex ratio problem.  Dave did that the
 >next year and the ratios began to even out.
 >
 >Treloff had this information in mind when he suggested that the husbandry
 >of
 >the other Death Valley killies be investigated so that there would be some
 >intelligent input into refugium design for the other 3 pupfish.  When you
 >think about some of these problems (size differential in refugium versus
 >natural habitat fish) in trying to save Cyp. diabolis you can see why
 >wildlife managers don't hold out much hope for hobbyist tank raised killies
 >to be placed back in the wild.  However, the approach to understanding the
 >variables that would allow the maintainence of a healthy population of fish
 >I think is still needed by these managers.  Here is where the hobbyist can
 >play a part.  You can also debate the merits of the academic researcher as
 >to whether or not they may care about species survival.  I would like to
 >know just how critical it is that wild stock is always needed for research
 >for every species or can aquarium raised stock be substituted for a good
 >bit
 >of the research.  If one already knows that wild populations are much more
 >more genetically diverse than captive populations, how much more
 >information
 >is needed for another species and are there not sampling algorithms that
 >allow one to estimate what that factor is from just a few wild fish?  Can
 >the hobbyist again relieve some of the pressures for research animals with
 >tank raised stock for research?
 >
 >Dave Koran


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