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Re: KillieTalk Digest V4 #538
Folks.........something involving killifish ID's came up on another list I
thought I'd give you all a shot at answering some of the questions brought
up by this post........briefly.........some fish were brought in from the
wild with no name....................possibly new
species..........POSSIBLY...........just what do we do when we run across
these fish........what are the properly called and who can do it and et.,
etc, etc...................here's the post from Bill Gallagher to another
list.........hope you don't mind Bill!!!!!........my reply is first and the
pertinant part of Bill's post is second :
"Killie folks........The killifish in question did come to Gary Bartell from
me, from Jolio Melgar (original collector in Peru). Julio does not know of
a location or a name. He sold them to me as Pterobebias sp. (their body and
fins resemble Pt. peruensis......watch my spelling, I didn't grab my book)
........the names have changed and I am aware of all of the changes in South
American species but everyone I spoke with didn't want to put a name on
it.......sooooooooooooooo.......quite frankly I defer to Gary's name
of.......... "Aphyolebias sp" ...............please understand that there
has been absolutely no intent on my part, or Julio's, to decieve anyone with
the name.....Julio said ....."......they look like Pterolebias to
me."........I just didn't know the name, and still don't......and neither
does Julio!.....nor the location!.....but it is a nice nifty, I think new
fish.
As to the Moema sp also............................I too had those
in...........all of the above conditions of this fish apply to the Moema sp
I got on as well..............I don't know it's name and neither does
Julio.....................the Moema sp. in question I can get but be
prepared for a LARGE fish..........as big as almost any Blue
Gularis........without the flowing fins...................the pic on the web
site will tell you what it looks like and again.................Julio and I
didn't know what to call it........we did the best we could.
If someone would like to help me out............when I get these possibly
new species in what do I do for names???????? Is there a proper protocal
with newly imported
fish????...............................THANKS................
Mike"
.......................any thought or
suggestions...............................!!!
Mike Jacobs
Inca 50's In Stock Now!
SOUTHERN APISTOS
Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus
http://www.southernapistos.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Gallagher" <bill at killi_net>
To: <cynolebias at yahoogroups_com>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 5:36 PM
Subject: [cynolebias] Re: Aphyolebias rubrocaudatus
>
> Gary Bartell's "Aphyolebias species ???" on his website is from the same
> source (Mike Jacobs) and importer/collecter (Julio Melgar) as the fish I
am
> calling Aphyolebias rubrocaudatus (that was in the KFN show and in the SAA
> census), so these are all the same. (These are called "Pterolebias new
> species" on the Mike Jacobs webpage. And they are not the same as the one
> going as Moema spec. Peru, also from Mike Jacobs from Julio Melgar).
>
> Before I used the name rubrocaudatus, I email Dr. Jean Huber and pointed
> him to Mike Jacobs website picture. Here is his response:
>
> >Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002
> >From: Dr Jean Huber <huber.mnhn at ifrance_com>
> >Subject: RE: Aphyolebias rubrocaudatus?
> >In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020719143438.01bb3928 at postoffice_pacbell.net>
> >To: Bill Gallagher <bill at killi_net>
> >Message-id: <JIEEKDFCBELJPPEJDOHAEEFDCFAA.huber.mnhn at ifrance_com>
> >MIME-version: 1.0
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >Your guess is correct although it may be considered as intermediate with
> >obliquus (one lower band) from Bolivia.
> ><snip>
Mike Jacobs
Inca 50's In Stock Now!
SOUTHERN APISTOS
Wild Peruvian Imports...Plus
http://www.southernapistos.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "KillieTalk Digest" <Owner-KillieTalk at AKA_Org>
To: <Owner-KillieTalk at AKA_Org>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 6:41 AM
Subject: KillieTalk Digest V4 #538
>
> KillieTalk Digest Sunday, November 3 2002 Volume 04 : Number
538
>
>
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: Nothing to do with killifish really...
> Re: Feeding Flake
> Re: Breeding Nematolebias whitei (Thanks for the input)
> Re: White worm culture
> eggs
> Re: High ph
> RE: White worm culture
> November 2002 ARK Meeting
> Re: eggs
> Re: eggs
> Re: eggs
> Re: Here's a thougth
> Re: eggs
> Boston Aquarium Society Annual Auction, TOMORROW
> Re: eggs
> Re: Confused Flour Beatles
> eggs
> Need address
> Pronotho. kiyawensis
> coconut fiber
> RE: coconut fiber
> looking for love...
> Re: coconut fiber
>
> See the end of the digest for information on unsubscribing from the
> KillieTalk mailing list and on how to retrieve back issues.
>
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>
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:33:28 EST
> From: Drkillinut at aol_com
> Subject: Re: Nothing to do with killifish really...
>
> Can send as much Spanish Moss as you want. What you got to trade? Joe
in
> Al.
>
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> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:55:02 -0400
> From: Joel Antkowiak <mrkillie at optonline_net>
> Subject: Re: Feeding Flake
>
> I give all of my killies, and all of my other fish as well, flakes and
> frozen foods, along with pelleted/granule foods and occasional live. Among
> the killies I have currently that are eating flakes are: Gnatholebias
> zonatus, Nematolebias whitei, Notho. kilomberoensis, N. rubripinnis, N.
> guentheri Red & Gold; A. hera, A. australe, A. ogoense Kimono yellow, A.
> fulgens, Riv. sp. paryagi, Fundulo. deltaense, Fundulo. gardneri Makurdi,
> Ps. annulatus, Ep. dageti, Apl. lineatus. However, when I want eggs, I
> usually go to frozen and live foods exclusively.
>
> Joel Antkowiak
>
>
> >> Do NOT give them flake. It rots and fouls the water. If you don't have
> >> other live foods like daphniae, use newly hatched brine shrimp. At
> >> worst, use frozen foods, but in my opinion (11th commandment), never
> >> use flake foods in a breeding tank.
> >
> > I agree, never use dried food in a breeding tank such as a bowl
> > etc... but if youa re using the peat-filled-tub method it can't hurt
> > unless you grossly overfeed or dump the flake in over the peat-tub.
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:51:29 +0800
> From: "LohK L" <timebomb at pacific_net.sg>
> Subject: Re: Breeding Nematolebias whitei (Thanks for the input)
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> Many thanks to everyone who responded to my question the other day.
>
> I know the water in my tanks is a bit warm for the whitei but there's
> nothing much I can do about it. It's easy to heat up a tank but very
> difficult to lower the temperature.
>
> I thought I could see the whitei eggs if they were there as I saw the
> eggs of my Simp magnificus and Austrolebias nigripinnis. I managed to
> get these 2 fish to lay eggs in high temperatures so I thought it
> shouldn't be too much of a problem for the whitei. To tell the truth, I
> was half expecting someone to tell me that I'm using too many females.
> I seem to remember reading somewhere that if there's more than one
> female in the breeding tank, they will eat the eggs of the other
> females.
>
> Fortunately, I didn't throw away the peat. I will see if there is fry 6
> weeks later.
>
> Loh K L
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> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:07:33 -0600
> From: George & Melanie Caruso <caraway at erienet_net>
> Subject: Re: White worm culture
>
> I found the magic worm bedding at Walmart. Only a couple of bucks for a
good
> sized box. I will set up a culture and compare its production to my
present
> culture medium which is straight milled sphagnum peat moss. Will let you
know
> how it compares.
> George
>
> Al Anderson wrote:
>
> > Learned white worm culture from the white worm guru Charlie Grimes. he
gets
> > about a half cup of solid worms out of a culture every day.
> > basically it is as follows
> >
> > You buy beg borrow or steal a box of MAGIC WORM BEDDING, that is the
brand
> > name and the only brand that the two of us use. we mail order it from
the
> > manufacturer.
> > We use an old refrigerator that has had the thermostat jimmied so it
will
> > stay at 50-55 degrees f.
> > the magic worm bedding is moistened so that the edges remain dry. the
best
> > way to do this is moisten half of it in a bucket and then place the
> > moistened bedding into the middle of the dry.
> > scoop out some of the middle moist bedding and add your starter. wet a
piece
> > of WHITE WONDER BREAD with WATER not milk it sours. cover the bread with
a
> > piece of glass and place the box in the refrigerator. change the bread
every
> > day if it is not gone. A good culture of worms will eat a slice a day.
> > Change part of the bedding once a month or so.
> >
> > I have seen a lot of folks call them selves growing white worms but not
one
> > of them can raise them as well as Charlie.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George & Melanie Caruso" <caraway at erienet_net>
> > To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: White worm culture
> >
> > > I keep my white worms in straight milled sphagnum peat moss. Unlike
> > > grindal worms the white worms prefer cooler temperatures. I keep mine
in
> > > a small fridge where the temp is about 45 degrees and they seem to
like
> > > that temprature. I feed my white worms dry baby cereal mixed with
water
> > > to form a almost runny paste. I also put a drop of bird liquid
> > > multi-vitamins in with it.I put the paste on the surface in small
drops
> > > and the worms are soon feeding on it. I also pre-wet the peatmoss and
> > > then squeeze most of the water out of it before adding it to a
> > > container. You want the peat wet but not soggy. I have found that
> > > potting soils tend to pack down after a while and the peat does not.
> > > Hope this helps some.
> > > George
> > >
> > > Tish KB wrote:
> > >
> > > > I bought one off of aquabid, it should be here
> > > > tomorrow. What temperature is good for these guys? i
> > > > live in a dorm and have very limited spaces, the temp
> > > > in my fridge was under 40 degrees, the general room
> > > > temp is around 73 or so, and by the window was 50
> > > > degrees. I would say i could put them in the lab
> > > > building, which is air conditioned to be around 65
> > > > degrees, but it's soon to be winter and the heaters
> > > > will kick on, taking things up to no less than 105
> > > > degrees for the comfort of the students (HAH! feel my
> > > > sarcasm...) .. what should i do for a substrate for
> > > > these guys to live in? I've heard everything from peat
> > > > moss to just a plain ol milk-soaked peice of bread...
> > > > and what to feed? i bought baby cereal, mixed grain
> > > > cereal fortified w/ vitamins iron and minerals or
> > > > something, what should i do with it to feed the
> > > > worms?? is that even right? so far all the answers
> > > > i've gotten from people have been pretty vague or
> > > > pointed me to also vague websites, any specifications
> > > > to the matter will be highly valued, beleive me.
> > > > Thanks a lot guys :)
> > > >
> > > > --Tricia
> > > >
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 17:51:55 -0000
> From: "Tim Addis" <timaddis at killifish_force9.co.uk>
> Subject: eggs
>
> I just harvested 15 Pro.kiyawensis eggs. These were laid in pure rainwater
> on silver sand. No peat or leaves in the tank. All harvested eggs were
> bright gold/honey coloured.
> We have all remarked that eggs take up the tannins from peat to colour the
> eggs but in this case this is not applicable.
> Any comments?.....
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:13:00 EST
> From: BizEcology at aol_com
> Subject: Re: High ph
>
> Aphanius mento, most pupfish, and the Tanganyikan lampeye.
>
>
> In a message dated 11/2/02 2:21:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> fisher25000 at yahoo_com writes:
>
>
> > Are there any easy to care for killies that will be happy and breed in a
ph
> > of 7.8? I am not sure about the hardness yet, but I'm not sure as to how
> > much of a factor that will be.
> >
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:19:51 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Dennis Heltzel" <dennis at fishroom_net>
> Subject: RE: White worm culture
>
> I suppose this is proof that people have different opinions and different
> experiences!
>
> Tish, you can try getting rid of the mites as RJ suggested, if it works,
> great (and tell us what finally worked for you), if it doesn't, don't toss
> out the culture in dispair -- try the "live and let live" approach myself
> and others use. All this is great personal experience that will pay off
> later.
>
> Everyone has different parameters for their fishkeeping and that has
> direct impact on what works for them. I am tolerant of the mites in my
> fish room, but I despise the fungus gnats and winged fruit flies because
> they show up in other parts of the house and disrupt the "domestic
> harmony". I've heard of someone in Hawaii who raises dart frogs in wire
> cages and puts a piece of fruit in each cages to lure the winged fruit
> flies into the cage. No doubt he lives alone and eats out a lot !
>
> Dennis
>
> > Hi Dennis,
> >
> > I agree there is a strong inverse correlation between the mite
> > population and worm production. The same is true of midges and fruit
> > flies.
> >
> > Last summer I had a culture infested by the flying beasties. Instead of
> > 2 tablespoons of worms I collected about half dozen bug larvae every
> > day. Eventually I caught all of the bugs and the culture is performing
> > well again.
> >
> > I am not sure that I can prove this either way, but I suspect that the
> > high bug population is the cause of the worm cultures problem not a
> > symptom.
> >
> > I would advise Tricia that Mites, springtails, midges and fruit flies
> > are the enemy of successful worm culture. Kill them! Show no mercy nor
> > give them quarter. Eradicate them now while you still have the chance.
> > Tricia should wipe them out now before they are in all of her cultures
> > and she will never get rid of them. Before I got rid of my mites I
> > flooded my cultures every 2 months or so to kill off the vermin. What a
> > mess! And it never got rid of them. Within the next month or so they
> > repopulated the culture and worm production diminished.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > ~RJ~
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:44:36 -0700
> From: "Allan Semeit" <azkillie at quixnet_net>
> Subject: November 2002 ARK Meeting
>
> The Arizona Rivulin Keepers meeting for November will be on Saturday, the
> 9th. We will gather at our usual haunt - the Round Table Pizza on the
> northwest corner of Rural and Ray Roads in south Tempe. Plan to arrive
> about 6:30 pm for some time to set up, socialize, and eat pizza. Meetings
> are free and you are certainly welcome. Check our website at
> http://ark.killi.net for a map and directions.
>
> Our Sponsor of the Month for November will be SEACHEM LABORATORIES. They
> are a well known manufacturer of aquarium products and we appreciate their
> support. We have a special link on our website to their website. Check
it
> out!
>
> The November program will be a videotape of Brian Watters presentation at
> this year's West Coast Weekend on East African Lampeyes. Brian always has
> great programs and, as you might suspect, besides pictures of Lampeyes and
> their habitats, there are some nice Nothobranchius photos in this one as
> well.
>
> We have also have a killifish auction. Besides killifish, other unusual
> small fish, aquatic plants, and live food cultures are more than welcome.
> Visitors are encouraged to bid on the offerings. The proceeds will be
split
> 20/80 with 80% going to the seller.
>
> If you are in the Phoenix area, and can attend, we would love to meet you!
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:34:31 -0800
> From: Wright Huntley <jwwiii at pacbell_net>
> Subject: Re: eggs
>
> Tim Addis wrote:
> > I just harvested 15 Pro.kiyawensis eggs. These were laid in pure
rainwater
> > on silver sand. No peat or leaves in the tank. All harvested eggs were
> > bright gold/honey coloured.
> > We have all remarked that eggs take up the tannins from peat to colour
the
> > eggs but in this case this is not applicable.
> > Any comments?.....
>
> Yep.
>
> Many killifish eggs have a golden or honey color when or soon after they
> are laid. That color is not related to the dark brown that some annual
> eggs become from a combination of internal development, which eventually
> darkens most eggs, and peat stains.
>
> What can be toughest is the SA annual eggs that have a slightly hairy or
> sticky surface (nature's Velcro?) that causes peat particles and mud to
> coat the very dark egg and make it nearly invisible in a mass of peat. The
> dull, dirty surface, combined with dark color can be most difficult for
> those used to picking bright, shiny Aphyo eggs from mops.
>
> Wright
>
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> are either confused themselves or are trying to take advantage of other
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>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:51:04 -0000
> From: "Tim Addis" <timaddis at killifish_force9.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: eggs
>
> Wright. I have the utmost respect for you & your opinions on the group but
> the question remains unanswered. Which sp. lay golden eggs & why?
> Sticky/hairy eggs will attract debis but in this case is not relevant.
> Internal development is still diapause 1 so no internal development.
> This is an interesting theme for discussion & I will search for answers
this
> side of the pond.
> Appreciate your opinion.
> Tim
>
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> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:08:14 -0800
> From: Wright Huntley <jwwiii at pacbell_net>
> Subject: Re: eggs
>
> Tim Addis wrote:
> > Wright. I have the utmost respect for you & your opinions on the group
but
> > the question remains unanswered. Which sp. lay golden eggs & why?
>
> I'm not certain that it is entirely species connected. It could also be
> conditioning related. My impression is that *most* of the eggs I collect
> from mops are a bit golden, particularly Aphyos and Fp. [I admit I never
> tried to see which ones were and which were not, as an academic exercise.]
>
> > Sticky/hairy eggs will attract debis but in this case is not relevant.
> > Internal development is still diapause 1 so no internal development.
> > This is an interesting theme for discussion & I will search for answers
this
> > side of the pond.
> > Appreciate your opinion.
>
> It is freely given, and worth every pence it cost you. :-)
>
> Wright
>
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>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:37:02 -0500
> From: "dmrecktenwalt" <dmrecktenwalt at prodigy_net>
> Subject: Re: Here's a thougth
>
> Sue, I've encouraged this for some time, both while I was on the board,
and
> after. I think it's a great idea, and essential to maintain open
> communications between the members and their various functioning
committees
> and the BOT. Let's keep at 'em!
> donna
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue Bunte" <zamar1 at prodigy_net>
> To: "AKAlist" <killietalk at AKA_org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 2:13 PM
> Subject: Here's a thougth
>
>
> > Hi folks, (especially the BOT)
> >
> > How about putting the list of Committee Chairs and
> > their contact information either in the BNL or on the
> > Web Site?
> >
> > I went looking for Jeff Kilker's e-mail address to
> > request the sanctioning application for WCW and
> > couldn't find a listing of committee chairpersons
> > anywhere. It would certainly be a handy bit of
> > information to have available.
> >
> > If people coming into the hobby want to join the KCC
> > for example how are they to know who to contact? The
> > Roster has a handy list of the committees but not the
> > people to contact.
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 16:14:14 -0500
> From: "Daniel S. Katz" <dskatz at optonline_net>
> Subject: Re: eggs
>
> I can tell you that Moema sp. "Peru" lays non- adhesive orange eggs and
the
> Campellolebias species brucei and dorsimaculatus lay eggs which range in
> color from nearly colorless to light yellow to orange and brown- all in
the
> same collection.
> Dan Katz
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Addis" <timaddis at killifish_force9.co.uk>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: eggs
>
>
> > Wright. I have the utmost respect for you & your opinions on the group
but
> > the question remains unanswered. Which sp. lay golden eggs & why?
> > Sticky/hairy eggs will attract debis but in this case is not relevant.
> > Internal development is still diapause 1 so no internal development.
> > This is an interesting theme for discussion & I will search for answers
> this
> > side of the pond.
> > Appreciate your opinion.
> > Tim
> >
> >
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:54:14 -0500
> From: Paul Cezanne <oblique at alum_mit.edu>
> Subject: Boston Aquarium Society Annual Auction, TOMORROW
>
> Our ANNUAL AUCTION is an OPEN HOUSE, everyone is invited. Sunday,
November 3, 2002
>
> Fishy fun and fellowship for all including; door prizes, drawing for a
complete aquarium set-up, vendors & refreshments.
>
> Item registration and viewing begins at 10:30 AM, bidding starts at 12:00
PM. 60/40 split, maximum of 15 lots per person. Please drop in. The auction
should last until 5:00 PM.
>
>
> Location:
> Dedham Veterans
> of Foreign Wars
> USS Jacobs Post 2017
> 87 Eastern Avenue
> Dedham, MA
>
> Directions:
> Dedham is located southwest of Boston on Route 128 (also numbered at I-95
in that area). The VFW is located adjacent to a shopping center.
>
> From the Mass Turnpike
> Take Route 128/95 east to Exit #15A Rte. 1 Dedham. Proceed north to the
third traffic light at Eastern Avenue. Take a sharp right onto Eastern
Avenue to #87 (approx. 1/4 mile).
>
> From the East
> (South Shore etc.)
> Take Route 128/95 west to exit 15 (Route 1 Dedham). Proceed north to the
third traffic light at Eastern Avenue. Take a sharp right onto Eastern
Avenue to #87 (approx. 1/4 mile).
>
> http://www.bostonaquariumsociety.org/html/02event/02event.htm
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 17:35:31 EST
> From: LeeH920226 at aol_com
> Subject: Re: eggs
>
> The largest disparity in color that I have seen is the difference in
the
> color of Lamprichthys tanganicanus eggs that Joe Bulterman collected and
> those I collected from the same strain of the species. His were always
orange
> and mine were nearly colorless. Both hatched OK, so the viability was not
> questioned. We agreed that something about our feeding regime or our water
> was causing the difference.
> On the issue of visibility, I have observed that very few eggs of any
> species adhere peat particles when freshly laid. Some do gather particles
> later and become nearly impossible to pick out of peat. Others, like
> Maratecoara lacortei, stay non-adhesive, seemingly forever. Aphyolebias
> peruensis eggs are difficult to see even when fairly newly laid because
they
> are not as clear as others. However, the spherical shape is clearly
visible
> with transmitted light, but not with reflected light.
>
> Lee Harper
> Media, Pa
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> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 00:05:54 +0000
> From: "Vince Sbarra" <killydad at hotmail_com>
> Subject: Re: Confused Flour Beatles
>
> Your question about meal worms being dangerous for killie food reminds me
of
> my experiments using them as killie food many years ago. They are
extremely
> easy to raise but only small newly molted "worms" were accepted by my
fish.
> The problem was that I had to hand pick each one. this was fine if I tried
> to feed small numbers of fish but much too much trouble for large numbers.
> The small newly molted did not harm the fish. The larger ones may be a
> problem but I didn't try to feed them after the first day of failure.
>
>
>
> Vince
> New York State
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:29:46 EST
> From: RuevenM at aol_com
> Subject: eggs
>
> Hi All,
>
> Callopanchax (wish I could say "Roloffia") occidentalis lays a golden
egg
> - -- maybe it's related to a goose? Even the fry are a bit golden. The
Golden
> Pheasant is 100% true to its name -- from egg to death.
>
> Robert
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> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:38:15 -0700
> From: Scott Lewis <scottwmlewis at attbi_com>
> Subject: Need address
>
> for Greg from Helena
>
> My main computer crashed. With it went my web browser and mail proggie.
>
> If anyone has Greg's e-mail address, could you please pass it on to me.
>
> Scott from Great Falls
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:19:59 EST
> From: RuevenM at aol_com
> Subject: Pronotho. kiyawensis
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I was reading on the BKA site from a 2000 article of yours that a
member
> of the BKA is still breeding the 1970 importation of this fish. How?
Everyone
> had such trouble with the old "seymouri." The eggs incubated time-wise all
> over the place or "rested" forever or hatched belly-sliders. What is this
> guy's secret?
> How is the new importation doing? What is the incubation being used? Is
the
> belly-slider problem re-appearing? Is the erratic incubation period
> reappearing?
>
> Robert
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:27:57 EST
> From: RuevenM at aol_com
> Subject: coconut fiber
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am about to try my first coconut fiber as a spawning medium and I
would
> like to hear from those who are already using it. What are the advantages
and
> pitfalls? Does it hold moisture well in storage? Anything special as far
as
> collecting, drying and bagging? Does it need to be boiled before use? Does
it
> sink well when re-wetted after incubating the eggs? Thanks in advance.
>
> Robert
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> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 00:07:14 -0600 (CST)
> From: listhub at andante_mn.org
> Subject: RE: coconut fiber
>
> All according to my experience. Your mileage may very.
>
> On 03-Nov-02 RuevenM at aol_com wrote:
> > I am about to try my first coconut fiber as a spawning medium and I
would
> > like to hear from those who are already using it. What are the
advantages and
> > pitfalls?
> >
> I use it for Nothos and some Fundulopanchax in conjunction with peat in a
1 part
> coconut fiber to 2 parts coarse peat ratio. It appears to let the peat
"fluff"
> up slightly more when in incubation. More O2 ?? I have never used it
alone
>
> I have heard that some SA Annuals do not like the spawning media this
coarse.
> No direct experience here .. yet.
>
> It is also a great addition to worm bedding for reds, whites, and
grindals.
> Keeps the media fluffy. Here I use it about 1:5 with standard worm
bedding.
>
> >Does it hold moisture well in storage?
> >
> I just wet what I need when I need it and store the bricks dry.
>
> > Anything special as far as
> > collecting, drying and bagging?
> >
> With the 1:2 ratio I mentioned above .. NO.
>
> > Does it need to be boiled before use?
> >
> No. Unless you are in a real hurry to wet it.
>
> > Does it
> > sink well when re-wetted after incubating the eggs?
> >
> Once wet, yes. Again this refers to the 1:2 ratio I mentioned.
>
> The bricks expand about 8 times in volume and do take about a day to fully
wet
> and sink. I usually throw a 1/4 brick in a bucket and let it sit for a
few
> days and add 1/3 volume to coarse peat which I have boiled.
>
> In case anyone is wondering, I get mine from www.wormsway.com. Good
outfit.
>
> Good Luck
> john
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> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 23:19:49 -0800
> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org (by way of Barry Cooper <bjc3 at cornell_edu>)
> Subject: looking for love...
>
> Hi, I have acquired a single male Aphyosemion Hera ARK 96 which I am
> going to not breed to my single female TDK 97/30, as I don't want to
> lose the collection coded lines. I have found more TDK but still need a
> female or trio of the ARK. Can anyone sell/swap with me? I am in Olympia
> WA USA.
>
> Thanks,
> Kate B
>
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> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:39:12 +0200
> From: "Tyrone Genade" <Tgenade at sun_ac.za>
> Subject: Re: coconut fiber
>
> On 2 Nov 2002, at 23:27, RuevenM at aol_com wrote:
>
> > I am about to try my first coconut fiber as a spawning medium and
> > I would
> > like to hear from those who are already using it. What are the
> > advantages and pitfalls? Does it hold moisture well in storage?
> > Anything special as far as collecting, drying and bagging? Does it
> > need to be boiled before use? Does it sink well when re-wetted after
> > incubating the eggs?
>
> It will have to be boiled and rinsed like normal peat. It is good for
> short incubations but not for long incubations as it tends to dry out
> faster than normal peat. It is also a bit course so don't use it with
> sensitive eggs and don't sqeeze the peat to hard (don't sqeeze at all
> if you can stand the wait).
>
> Some people have had no success with it while I can't really complain
> but I would use normal peat moss if I could afford it.
>
> Good luck
>
> Tyrone Genade
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