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This long,long, long mixing fry thread.
Chris,
Just some advice...
Evetually, in a few years, I hope to get one of those set-ups like they
have in all fish stores, with all the ten glalon tanks running on just a
couple pumps. I believe that Tetra actually sells the setups, so I hope to
get one of those some day.
I have 2 of these pumps I got from fish stores going out of business.
They ary great. One will power 50 twenty gallon tanks with pleanty of air
to spare. Keep an eye out for them.
What got me so made about what some people charge for fish and eggs is,
there is a guy, Bill Hodgkiss, on aquabid who I got ahold of, and ordered a
pair of Aphy. Biat. He finally told me the price about a week after I
ordered them, 30 DOLLARS!!! NOT INCLUDING SHIPPING! He wanted to charge me
27 dollars for PRIOR!
> ITY mail!!! He would ship them in his own box, which he claimed was why it
cost so much,
He is ripping everyone off.
Chris, be carefull when making such accusations. I do not know Bill
Hodgkiss or anything, but I think that as a general rule it is not
productive to give the specific name of someone you have a problem with to a
whole group. It would keep harmony if such affairs were taken care of off
the list.
Also, Mr. Hodgkiss might have good reason to charge "so much" for his
fish. Some species are only a few dollars a pair, but others are rare or
difficult and can command a pretty penny.
It could be that no one ripped you off. It is important that all prices
be settled and agreed upon by both sides when a purchase is made. It was
probably lack of communication, not a blatent scheem.
IT'S A GOD DAMN STYROFOAM BOX!
Some of us on this list do not appreciate such language. You are
talking to a wide audience of unfamiliar people. You can get your point
across without offending anyone with bad words.
And, he doesn't have anything that I really want, except some Epiplatys.
But oh well, I'm just doomed I guess.
If you joined the AKA, you would find lots of species avaliable to buy a
t very reasonable prices. Be carefull not to grow too quickly though. I
have found that if I purchase too many species too quickly, I run into all
kinds of problems. If I take the time to plan ahead and purchase all the
neccessary equipment before I purchase a new species, I find it goes much
smoother. Those gardneri will through plenty of fry. Space can become a
problem.
Chris (and a reminder for all of us), the purpose of this list is to
help us "Freaks" all enjoy our hobby (obsession??) to the maximum degree.
It is important to keep tempers even and to use logic instead of emotion.
Personal attacks and other problems can quietly be settled off the list so
that everyone here can go on enjoying polite conversation and debate.
Dissagreement is ok, even productive, but it is important to use logic
instead of emotion. Lets keep this list an ENJOYABLE place for free
discussion.
Dan Hodnett
killies at hitechnetworks_net
>
> Scott Davis <unclescott at prodigy_net> wrote: > I don't see how some
people can charge ten dollars for 12 eggs, and then
> 10 dollars shipping, when their fishes provide the eggs FOR FREE!
>
> Of course the new fish room - perhaps as an addition on the house or a
> finally finished basement, tanks, fan/vent, R.O. unit,, time, electricity,
> water bill, food, fish, time, gas and postage to mail free eggs, lights,
> timer, nets, custom made stands, buckets, other paraphernalia and so on
are
> free too. ;)
>
> Now this is teasing (not ridiculing - I really want you to understand) and
> encouraging you to think about what you're saying. The person who is
> charging may financially not be in too different a situation from you.
They
> would like to expand the fishroom or be able to pay some of the expenses
> (gas, motel, food, new killies, plants) to a neat fish show in a couple of
> weeks.
>
> Many of the most productive killie breeders are younger people recently
out
> of school (what's the average indebtedness of college graduates - nearly
> $20,000?), who are thinking of getting married or setting up a household
or
> starting a family or purchasing a home or getting more training for a new
> job or just getting that car paid for.
>
> The only way they can justify the expenses of their expanded hobby is by
> using it to meet a small portion of those expenses. (Our second Christmas
> would have had no presents were it not for the gardneri sold at several
> LFS.)
>
> For a number of retirees, the situation is much the same. Income (a
> disappointing percentage of those paying into company pension plans will
get
> their money back) tends to be pretty much fixed. Real purchasing power
goes
> down.
>
> Having said that...
>
> You will find that in terms of time (often that most precious of
> commodities) people are pretty generous.
>
> Nor is always necessary to pay huge sums for new stock. I had a visitor on
> Sunday who thought he was going to have to pay for what he took. I smiled,
> thinking of many kindnesses afforded me and mentioned to him that the
house
> rule was ask, if I have extra (eggs, fish, plants, food culture - heck
even
> tanks, I've given away extras I no longer needed) the answer is "yes". If
> the item can't be spared, "no" - nothing personal.
>
> He went home with a couple of fish, a daphnia start and starts for a half
> dozen types of plants, I figured I could spare them. By the way, he drove
a
> pretty good distance with his wife and infant twins.
>
> If he raises some of the stuff he went home with and lets it go at
auction,
> no big deal. Figuring the time and resources he will spend doing that, his
> day job still pays a whole lot better.
>
> Lee's comment to Eric, a pretty sophisticated and experienced aquarist, is
> not entirely out of line.
>
> There are so many killies, so few killikeepers and so little time in the
big
> picture. Somebody on this list noted the other day that every hobby strain
> of Fpx walkeri is extinct in the wild.
>
> As you correctly noted Chris, you already know more about killies than 99
> plus % of the world. Now however consider what a small proportion of
people
> who know about killies have pure stains of a particular species and are
> distributing them.
>
> Actually a surprising number of killies from some years ago are still
> around, but I sure wish that gardneri Klug's strain or the Yarnina Cocha
> peruensis or the gardneri Lake Eyachem or the mirable traudeae or the Riv
> magdelenae Cali or the Aphanius dispar or the old red geryi strain or the
> Riv. isthmensis collected by Dan Fromm 20 years ago or the Aplocheilus
> blocki strain they had in central Indiana in the 80s or the Cynolebias/
> Simpsonichthys antenori or the Fundulopanchax rubrolabiale or the
> Fundulopanchax monroviae or the Roloffia/ Scriptaphyosemion "Calibar"
strain
> or the original Red T - Bualanum (kekemense today) or even George Maier's
> old strain of Fpx scheeli (and on and on) were still around too.
>
> There just weren't enough killinuts and enough time to keep those
wonderful
> strains going. Gardneri Nsukka and Misaje are two of the most common
killies
> in the hobby. They aren't in immediate danger of disappearing. They will
> remain, for a time anyway, whether those of us in this discussion keep
them
> or not.
>
> Is it fair to ask newbies to maintain a line of killies? Absolutely not!
>
> But good habits are easier to develop from the get-go.
>
> All the best!
>
> Scott
>
>
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