Re: AW: Mixing Fry(babies) long ramble

["Erny May" <emay1 at wi_rr.com>]

Chris,
You are not doomed. Hookup with a local group,
they usually have some auctions after their meetings;
join the AKA and order from the fish and egg list,
attend "killie festivals-shows-jamborees" to see great
fish and by them at auction. You will find all the fish you
want at reasonable prices. Once you get into this you will
insist on the purity of the strain because they are yours and
from your effort. Remember it takes no effort to produce a
mongrel but lots of thought to keep a strain pure. Give
all of this a chance and you'll see why we are killie nuts.
erny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Browning" <fisher25000 at yahoo_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: AW: Mixing Fry(babies) long ramble


>
>  I had no idea that that many Killies have disappeared, I had no idea
there were that many different kinds. I guess because most of them are gone,
there is no information on them on the internet, and that is why I never
knew they existed. I spent the last 3 hours getting a small rearing tank for
the fry ready to keep them seperate, and I am going to save up my money, and
get a 28-29 gallon tank to keep the females seperated. Evetually, in a few
years, I hope to get one of those set-ups like they have in all fish stores,
with all the ten glalon tanks running on just a couple pumps. I believe that
Tetra actually sells the setups, so I hope to get one of those some day.
What got me so made about what some people charge for fish and eggs is,
there is a guy, Bill Hodgkiss, on aquabid who I got ahold of, and ordered a
pair of Aphy. Biat. He finally told me the price about a week after I
ordered them, 30 DOLLARS!!! NOT INCLUDING SHIPPING! He wanted to charge me
27 dollars for PRIOR!
> ITY mail!!! He would ship them in his own box, which he claimed was why it
cost so much, IT'S A GOD DAMN STYROFOAM BOX! If I ever sell Killies,
particularly if I sell as many as he does, I will give them a damn box for
free! A box big enough for 2 fish from fed ex is free as long as you ship it
form them! They will insulate it and everything! He is ripping everyone off.
He has dozens of beautiful fish I want to order, but I can not afford 60
dollars for 2 fish! I don't think many of us can/will spend that much on 2
FISH! There is another guy that charges like 25 dollars, plus the REGULAR
shipping fees, and that is for 5 PAIRS! He is the only person with
reasonable prices that I have found so far. I still can't afford any even
though they are a good deal. And, he doesn't have anything that I really
want, except some Epiplatys. But oh well, I'm just doomed I guess.
>
>   Scott Davis <unclescott at prodigy_net> wrote: > I don't see how some
people can charge ten dollars for 12 eggs, and then
> 10 dollars shipping, when their fishes provide the eggs FOR FREE!
>
> Of course the new fish room - perhaps as an addition on the house or a
> finally finished basement, tanks, fan/vent, R.O. unit,, time, electricity,
> water bill, food, fish, time, gas and postage to mail free eggs, lights,
> timer, nets, custom made stands, buckets, other paraphernalia and so on
are
> free too. ;)
>
> Now this is teasing (not ridiculing - I really want you to understand) and
> encouraging you to think about what you're saying. The person who is
> charging may financially not be in too different a situation from you.
They
> would like to expand the fishroom or be able to pay some of the expenses
> (gas, motel, food, new killies, plants) to a neat fish show in a couple of
> weeks.
>
> Many of the most productive killie breeders are younger people recently
out
> of school (what's the average indebtedness of college graduates - nearly
> $20,000?), who are thinking of getting married or setting up a household
or
> starting a family or purchasing a home or getting more training for a new
> job or just getting that car paid for.
>
> The only way they can justify the expenses of their expanded hobby is by
> using it to meet a small portion of those expenses. (Our second Christmas
> would have had no presents were it not for the gardneri sold at several
> LFS.)
>
> For a number of retirees, the situation is much the same. Income (a
> disappointing percentage of those paying into company pension plans will
get
> their money back) tends to be pretty much fixed. Real purchasing power
goes
> down.
>
> Having said that...
>
> You will find that in terms of time (often that most precious of
> commodities) people are pretty generous.
>
> Nor is always necessary to pay huge sums for new stock. I had a visitor on
> Sunday who thought he was going to have to pay for what he took. I smiled,
> thinking of many kindnesses afforded me and mentioned to him that the
house
> rule was ask, if I have extra (eggs, fish, plants, food culture - heck
even
> tanks, I've given away extras I no longer needed) the answer is "yes". If
> the item can't be spared, "no" - nothing personal.
>
> He went home with a couple of fish, a daphnia start and starts for a half
> dozen types of plants, I figured I could spare them. By the way, he drove
a
> pretty good distance with his wife and infant twins.
>
> If he raises some of the stuff he went home with and lets it go at
auction,
> no big deal. Figuring the time and resources he will spend doing that, his
> day job still pays a whole lot better.
>
> Lee's comment to Eric, a pretty sophisticated and experienced aquarist, is
> not entirely out of line.
>
> There are so many killies, so few killikeepers and so little time in the
big
> picture. Somebody on this list noted the other day that every hobby strain
> of Fpx walkeri is extinct in the wild.
>
> As you correctly noted Chris, you already know more about killies than 99
> plus % of the world. Now however consider what a small proportion of
people
> who know about killies have pure stains of a particular species and are
> distributing them.
>
> Actually a surprising number of killies from some years ago are still
> around, but I sure wish that gardneri Klug's strain or the Yarnina Cocha
> peruensis or the gardneri Lake Eyachem or the mirable traudeae or the Riv
> magdelenae Cali or the Aphanius dispar or the old red geryi strain or the
> Riv. isthmensis collected by Dan Fromm 20 years ago or the Aplocheilus
> blocki strain they had in central Indiana in the 80s or the Cynolebias/
> Simpsonichthys antenori or the Fundulopanchax rubrolabiale or the
> Fundulopanchax monroviae or the Roloffia/ Scriptaphyosemion "Calibar"
strain
> or the original Red T - Bualanum (kekemense today) or even George Maier's
> old strain of Fpx scheeli (and on and on) were still around too.
>
> There just weren't enough killinuts and enough time to keep those
wonderful
> strains going. Gardneri Nsukka and Misaje are two of the most common
killies
> in the hobby. They aren't in immediate danger of disappearing. They will
> remain, for a time anyway, whether those of us in this discussion keep
them
> or not.
>
> Is it fair to ask newbies to maintain a line of killies? Absolutely not!
>
> But good habits are easier to develop from the get-go.
>
> All the best!
>
> Scott
>
>
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