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Re: [APD] Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 55, Issue 22



Thank you Jim for the welcome!
I have been reading til my eye balls are numb! LOL  I'm more than ready to jump in! 
I hope to plant up my 55 gallon soon, the only problem is I'm finding that plants are expensive at my LFS! And being disabled, with a fixed income, it's making it a bit difficult to get the plants needed to get started! But, hopefully I can save up, and get some soon.
Thanks again for the welcome!
 Dan in Va


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Tanganyikan Planted Tanks (BRiaN Forsythe)
   2. Brian's 90g tank (Stuart Halliday)
   3. So, Where do I begin (Richard Wickboldt)
   4. EasyCarbo V Excel (Stuart Halliday)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:33:21 -0400
From: "BRiaN Forsythe" <megasycophant at gmail_com>
Subject: Re: [APD] Tanganyikan Planted Tanks
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>

The glute is great stuff.  I don't want to do CO2 in my Tanganyikan
tank because of the pH effects.  Unfortunately, I can't compare to
Excel because I've never used it.  Our plant club (SWOAPE) gets
gallons of glute from a local medical supplier.  Around $18 for a
gallon IIRC, which is a 2.5% solution.  Can even be procured cheaper
online (for electron microscopy) and diluted but you've got to pay a
hazardous materials fee, so obviously want to buy in quantity.  Much
more economical than Excel.  I dose the 2.5% solution at about 1ml per
day per 5 gallons which seems to be on the cautious side from what
other folks I know are dosing.  There's a big thread on our APC forum
here: http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/south-western-ohio-aquatic-plant-enthusiasts/31615-glutaraldehyde-instead-excel.html

I don't use pumice to avoid hardening the water, but because of the
weight -- even using pumice, I've got over 200# of rock in the 90.
It's also pretty porous, lots of area for bacterial colonization.

As for water additives, I use good old baking soda for KH.  Our
water's got plenty of Mg, but when it hasn't in the past, I always
used epsom salts.  Also, I used KCl for K+, but don't need to now
since I'm (sorta) dosing EI, I don't think I really need the extra K+,
kinda on the fence.  Always thought the cichlid salt mixes were a bit
of a scam (not that they dont' work, but they're probably epsom salts,
baking soda, and the like).  I have homebrew KNO3 and KH2PO4 solutions
that I dose a few times a week and Flourish and Flourish Fe (the
crypts sure love Fe), which will probably be replaced by a dry micro
mix once they run out.

The buescheri may work (though you may want more rock), but the
'kipil' are a safe bet.  I used to keep them.  Gorgeous fish, too --
Konings has said he thinks they're either some of or the most
beautiful fish in the lake.

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Jerry Smith <jerrytheplater at hotmail_com> wrote:
> Brian
>
>  I have 6 juvenile Neolamprologus leleupi that are Oct. 2007 fry of my 4 year
>  old adults. 4 Synodontis lucipinnis about 1 3/4" long, 1 Alto. compressiceps
>  about 2" long, 2 female Ancistrus cats, 1 upside down Synodontis, and a pair
>  of Pseudocrenilabrus multicolor in my tank. The Egyptian Mouthbrooders are
>  in there to spawn and then I plan to take the female out to another tank to
>  save the fry. My original parents died. I have two pairs left.
>
>  I have Cryptocoryne spiralis, C. moehlmannii, C. wendtii, C. undulata, Water
>  Lettuce and Duckweed in mine. I use a 6:1 by volume KNO3 : KH2PO4 dry ferts
>  about 1 tsp per week. I use Seachem Lake Tanganyika salts and Seachem Malawi
>  Buffer. I also use Excel at 8 ml daily for the 38 gallon tank. I don't
>  really do frequent water changes. Maybe monthly. Low light. Substrate is
>  Seachem Onyx Sand mixed with finely sieved Carib Sea African Cichlid mix.
>
>  No CO2 currently. I have a Carbo Plus I haven't hooked up yet. I plan to
>  plumb it into the outflow from my Eheim in a sort of CO2 reactor.
>
>  I have been thinking about adding about 4-6 juvenile N. buescheri but I am
>  not too sure they will get along with the N. leleupi when they all mature.
>  My 38 is a little small for 2 breeding pairs. I have been thinking of
>  possibly adding Julidochromis regani "kipili" instead.
>
>  I am not concerned about using limestone rock in my tank because I want hard
>  water. These rocks are really a Dolomitic limestone so they should add some
>  Mg too besides the CaCO3.
>
>  How are you finding the Glutaraldehyde to work? Any pluses or minuses? I
>  have read some stuff about it recently.
>
>  Jerry Smith
>  Bloomingdale, NJ
>
>  >To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com> Subject: Re:
>  >[APD] Image Hosting From: "BRiaN Forsythe" <megasycophant at gmail_com>
>  >Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:28:08 -0400
>
>
>  >Set up in Dec 2007, those pics were taken just after it was set up.
>  >None taken lately cuz I got busy and skipped dosing for about a week,
>  >have a hair algae thing going on.  Getting better though.  Dosing is
>  >modified EI (since I don't wanna do big water changes with
>  >Tanganyikans) + glutaraldehyde (rather than Excel).  KH is about 12,
>  >working it up to 15 or so, don't really measure much else.
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:44:06 +0000
From: Stuart Halliday <stuart at mytriops_com>
Subject: [APD] Brian's 90g tank
To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>

I believe BRiaN Forsythe wrote this email section below:
> What a n00b I am.  Of course, here it is sanitized:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/70085517%40N00/sets/72157603556405779/show/

Really nice new tank. I love the arrangement.

But the green heater and lead really spoils the look. Can't you hide it 
more? :-)
I'd also remove the white thermometer. ;-)

Also the slideshow seems to have lots of near duplicate images right next to 
each other so its needs a little trimming.


-- 
Stuart Halliday
http://mytriops.com/
200 Million years in the making...


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:49:17 -0400
From: "Richard Wickboldt" <aquaticplants at wickboldt_com>
Subject: [APD] So, Where do I begin
To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>



  Hello Dan.  Welcome to the list.   The best place to begin I guess is
right here:)  I began by just finding out as much information from various
sources and then jump right in.  I would suggest the book "Ecology of the
Planted Aquarium" by Diana Walstad.

    Richard JIVA Wickboldt




Hi I'm Dan in Virginia, (Just south of Richmond)

Thank you for allowing me to be part of your group!

I'm brand new to aquarium plants, and the whole aqua plant culture.(I've
always had those dredfully ugly plastic ones!)

I've always had great success with aquarium fish, (both fresh, and salt
water fish), and terresteral plants seperately. (mainly orchids, and African
Violets).

But, after developing a debillatating allergy to soil born mold and mildew,
I unfortunately and reluctently had to put an end to my terrestial plant
hobby for now.

So....! why not try my hand at planted aquariums?!?
I have a 55, a 35, and a 20 gallon aquarium I hope to plant up soon.

So much to learn first! and excited about it!
I hope to learn a lot from you all!

So, Where do I begin?

Thanks again!
Dan ~ va







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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:53:58 +0000
From: Stuart Halliday <stuart at mytriops_com>
Subject: [APD] EasyCarbo V Excel
To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>

I believe BRiaN Forsythe wrote this email section below:
> The glute is great stuff.  I don't want to do CO2 in my Tanganyikan
> tank because of the pH effects.  Unfortunately, I can't compare to
> Excel because I've never used it.  Our plant club (SWOAPE) gets
> gallons of glute from a local medical supplier.  Around $18 for a
> gallon IIRC, which is a 2.5% solution.  

You're lucky. In the UK and EU you have to be a Doctor to order Glutaraldehyde.
So not an option for us. :-(

EasyCarbo is a newish alternative to Excel.

http://www.easylife.nl/english/index.html?id=43

1ml per 50L (13.2 US G) verses Excel at 1ml per 40L daily.

But not any cheaper unfortunately.
Works out at ?10 ($19.8 USD) per 500ml. Same as Excel.
So they're making a right profit.

-- 
Stuart Halliday
http://mytriops.com/
200 Million years in the making...



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