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Re: [APD] Fluoride

>  Iodine is added to salt, I've never heard of it being added to flour.

It was.  By the way, table salt is sea salt that has been de-iodized,
and then re-iodized with the industrial waste kind.

>  If you really want to panic over nothing check out the various
>  levels of cyanide they add to various kinds of salt.

Cyanide is fatal per it's lethal dose measurement, it will either kill
you, or it won't.  It doesen't aggregate in the body.

>  We have no particular need of bromine, but it shows up in medecines
>  and they do good, not harm.

No, bromine is toxic.  Like I said, think for yourself, God gave you a
brain, use it.  Haven't you ever watched The Fugitive?  The pharma
companies aren't exactly our friend.  (Excuse me for speaking in
laymens terms).

>  Moishe, if you want to read about circumcision and mercury there are
>  probably places for that, but until aquarium plants grow penises [1]
>  or need injections of vaccine or contact lens cleaner solution then
>  this is probably not the place.

Studies have shown that flowers experience pleasure.

>  FYI, the long Scientific American article just repeated minor problems that
>  have been long documented.  It did mention that the use of fluoride to make
>  baby formula "could" cause problems in brain development in the first six
>  months.  Or, it "could not" too, I assume.  The article did not break any
>  new ground.  They are going to lose a subscriber if they continue with
>  "filler" articles.

Scientific American posting a useful article is like Faux News or CNN
reporting about a worthwhile story.  I agree all these media
publications are worthless, but for fluoride to appear in the main
press is something of a miracle with all the media censorship nowaday.

As Lenin and Hitler agreed: "America, we shall take from within."

>  Well, getting back on-topic, here is a Google Scholar link with over 500
>  hits on "aquarium fluoride toxicity", only one of which I read.  If
>  curious minds need to know - read on.  Since my tank contains plants and
>  fish from the Amazon river, I would be interested in knowing the
>  concentration of fluoride in the Amazon.  Should you find it.

Kudos, you're the only one who actually followed the topic.

>  Now moving back off topic....  I add that I generally reject consensus
>  arguments, consensus is opinion, not scientific fact. It is useful in
>  management, mostly to cover your ass, but not in science.  Consensus
>  gave us a flat earth and man made global warming.  I know this is likely
>  to set off another chain of hate mail, but read the below first.  The
>  sun heats the earth!

The idea that people as recent as 5,000 years ago thought the earth
was flat is a misnomer.  They used metaphors because man did believe
the earth was flat in his earlier stages of evolution.

>  My point being that, when an issue becomes emotional, rather than
>  factual, we can argue about it day and night.  I am frequently surprised
>  by the adaptability of natural systems.  Consider the creatures recently
>  discovered in the Antarctic.  Natural systems seem rather adaptable to me.

Endless debate is sometimes inevitable, but can also be used as a tool
to obfuscate important issues.  Is the world warming unnaturally?
Absolutely not.  It's a total farce.  Is your *city* full of smog and
inside a green gaseous bubble?  Yes, but it's the fault of the same
people who are promoting a carbon tax.  Que Bono. (sp?)

>  Greetings, once again sir. Let's begin:


>  I have. And depending on when and where you go in Morocco, there very
>  well could be water warnings when you visit. A water warning is what the
>  local government posts to let you know not to drink the water at that
>  time because it could make you sick or in some extreme cases, even be
>  fatal.

Sick because of pathenogens or sick because of over-fluoridation?

> Of course most countries keep this quiet as it is not good for
>  tourism if it gets too much press, so it doesn't get too much press. I
>  still stand by what I said earlier. Every time foreign aid was given in
>  the form of fluoride treatment for local water supplies, every single
>  country offered fell over themselves to let us install and supply them
>  with fluoride for their water. And yes, I have been their to help set
>  some of these up many years ago.

Europe has rejected fluoridation and circumcision I might add.  Wisely so.

>  To this I reply, you are wrong

If you are following a general rule, like if I could say unabashedly,
or undoubtedly, there is no reason why in conversation I would not use
"undebateably".  I disagree with you strongly on this matter, I think
every generation has a right to modify the language to their benefit,
and every generation thus far has excercised that right.

>  To this I respond, your conclusions are wrong. To answer your last question first, fluoxetine > hydrocholride is designated (+)-N-methyl-3-phenyl-3-[(-trifluoro-/p/-tolyl)oxy]propylamine
> hydrochloride and has the empirical formula of C17H18F3NO HC1. (On a side note here,
> I wasn't sure if this could post subtext formula numbers.)Its molecular weight is 345.79.
> Fluoxetine hydrochloride is a white to off-white crystalline solid with a solubility of 14 mg/mL > in water. The oral solution contains fluoxetine hydrochloride equivalent to 20 mg/5 mL (64.7 > u mol) of fluoxetine. It also contains alcohol 0.23%, benzoic acid, flavoring agent, glycerin, > purified water, and sucrose. Prozac capsules, a delayed-release formulation, contain
> enteric-coated pellets of fluoxetine hydrochloride equivalent to 90 mg (291 u mol) of
> fluoxetine. The capsules also contain D&C Yellow No. 10, FD&C Blue No.2, gelatin,
> hypromellose, hypromellose acetate succinate, sodium lauryl sulfate, sucrose, sugar
> spheres!, talc, titanium dioxide, triethyl citrate, and other inactive ingredients. If this isn't
> clear or did not answer what you were looking for in answer, please be more clear in what
> you want to know. And, yes, I did cut and paste that from the PDR, 2008 ver. 2.3. As to
> your alluding to Prozac being the cause I respond by saying, did you ever consider how
> much worse the actions of the shooters could have been if the were not on Prozac. Maybe > it was the medicine that kept the shooters from blowing the schools up and killing many
> more than they did.

Not even a good try Mr Watford.  And I quote:

"With that little personal confusion straightened out, I asked RxList
another question: Could they tell me the weight, in milligrams, of the
fluorine in a standard daily dose of Prozac? After all, you always
want to know about dose level.

Here was the reply from Sandow. I am giving you the details, in case
anyone wants to challenge these facts or the arithmetic. F stands for
fluorine in the message I received: F molecular weight=18.9984032.
There are 3 F's in each Prozac molecule, so 3 x 18.9984032 = 57.

The molecular weight of the Prozac molecule is 345.79.

The proportion of Fluorine to Prozac is 57 / 345.79 = .165 or 16.5%.

So, for a typical daily dose of 20mg of Prozac the amount of fluorine
would be .165 x 20 = 3.3mg (or 6.6mg for a 40mg/day dose)."
"Every day that a person takes a standard dose of Prozac, he gets 3.3
milligrams of fluorine. At the higher dose, he gets 6.6 milligrams of

Care to reply to that Watford?

>  To this I respond, you are wrong. Using your logic, we should not put chlorine in water
> either because, of course, the is toxic also. Did it ever occur to you that maybe in certain
> levels(Yes, we have covered this before) even toxic chemical or compounds can work to our > benefit. Crazy way of thinking I know, but hey, that's the way it is.

And not everyone puts chlorine in their water.  France uses ozone gas.
 By the way, you are aware that chlorine evaporates quite readily?
Chlorine is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.  Nice try.

>  To this I say, you are wrong. I am no expert in debate. Skilled, yes, expert, no. Maybe you > have never seen a true expert in debate and that is where you go wrong in your judgment on > that. Once again, do not be mad at me for reporting what was in their memo and not editing > it to make my side look better. If you have issues with what they published, then direct your > question to them, not me. I was merely filling a big blank you left out or never knew about.

What are you specifically referring to and to which memo?

>  To this I answer, No one thinks for me, but me. Of course, it is easier to start personnel
> attacks when you don't like what the person is saying.

I apologize for any ad-hominem attacks, nonetheless, I feel I have
made my side of the argument clear, and based on historical and
scientific evidence.  Anyone is free to point out any errors in
anything I posted.

>  To this I respond, finally, you are right. I think it would have been smarter for you to ask me > for my source, but that would have been playing into the question I wanted you to ask. Most > of the last paragraph is cut and pasted, with only me changing the parts I thought would
> make it clearer for you to understand. Of course, you could ask what gives me the right to
> change it to make it easier for you to understand? You could ask Ms. Lisa A. Goss, RDH, > BS Dental Coordinator or Mr.Garrett B. Lyons Sr., DDS Director, Dental Services as they
> both reviewed the paper I co-wrote. The other author was the late Dr. Alvin Milner, so I
> guess you can't ask him. Both Lisa and Garrett work at Division of Dentistry, Alfred I.
> DuPont Hospital for Children, in Wilmington, DE. If you have any trouble finding their
> numbers, I am sure I can find them for you.

Mr Watforf, I mean no disrespect, but can you please kindly use
paragraphs.  I am finding the long ones difficult to read.

>  To this I respond, Yes I was. Of course, I should point out that so did every other doctor in > the country at that time. I am sorry if you feel doctors should never make mistakes.
> Mistakes are made in medicine all the time. Good doctors learn from them. For example,
> you seem to have left out of your statement the fact that Thimerosal has been removed from > or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of
> age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine.

No, thimerosal has not been removed in multi dose vaccines.

I had a conversation with a doctor a few weeks ago.  I asked him why
they are now administering hepatitis and flu vaccines to kids.  He
said that some people get really sick from flu (Albeit a limited
amount) and they need to work.  I said to him, if everyone has a
remote chance of developing tissue necrosis and subsequently gangrene
from diabetes, does it mean mass amputations for all?

>  To this I respond, does being an editor at large for 16 medical journals count as being
> current? My question for you is, when was the last time you read a medical journal? How
> many pages does read every week from a medical journal of any kind?

The point remains.  When you mass medicate without the need, you are
no longer practicing medicine, this has now become eugenics which is a
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