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Re: [APD] Disposing of Unwanted Fish



Perhaps we should play Pink Floyd while using the CO2-clove oil method.

On 5/1/07, S. Hieber <shieber at yahoo_com> wrote:
>
> Wonderfully nice counterexamples, although, my reply is that beg they
> question rather than prove it.
>
> Be that as it may, it does suggest some moral value to distracting the
> tetra at the appropriate moment. ;-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: TBarber <terbarb at alltel_net>
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 4:23:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [APD] Disposing of Unwanted Fish
>
>
> Scott............I can refute your "not know you are feeling pain" issue.
> Unfortunately, I have dealt with chronic pain off and on for about 15
> years
> now.   I have experienced often the situation where I'm not feeling well
> (or
> maybe feeling grumpy) and later on realize that I am having "pain" -
> paying
> more attention to it.........makes me aware of what the "discomfort"
> really
> is.    I believe this is adaptive behavior.....It's very much like having
> a
> radio on in the background.   The sensation becomes too "loud" and you
> cannot actually tune it out any longer - time for medication perhaps.   In
> time, I have become very good at being able to "tune it out" - learning to
> minimize my "attention" to the unpleasant sensation.    And thankfully,
> due
> to some better diagnosis - it's rarely if ever a problem now.   It is
> amazing how your own brain can mess with you.
>
> The other second "pain" situation I can relate is probably only possible
> with some interesting drugs on board.  When I had my daughter by C-section
> -
> The spinal anesthesia did not completely work - I was well aware of the
> fact
> that I was being gutted like the pike in the previous story.
> However,  As
> I told the anesthesiologist at the time - That really hurts but it's like
> it
> hurts somebody else - the sensation of pain was "far away".   Doesn't make
> sense really but I knew there was "pain" - right after I said that - they
> shot me full of something and out went the lights.  lol.
>
> TerryB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S. Hieber" <shieber at yahoo_com>
> To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [APD] Disposing of Unwanted Fish
>
>
> > If the inflicter or inflictee is not aware?
> >
> > If inflicter, then I'd say sure, I can feel a lot of pain ieven i fyou
> don't know you just stepped on my dogs.
> >
> > On the ontehr side, I don't think I can have a pain that I don't feel,
> especially ones that I have no capacity to feel. I might on rare ocassions
> be uncertain about whether a particular sensation is pleasurable or
> painful,
> but that's a whole diff thing.
> >
> > sh
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Chris Hotte <ecwh73 at gmail_com>
> > To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 1:49:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [APD] Disposing of Unwanted Fish
> >
> >
> > . . .
> > Granted rocks aren't in possession of any sort of neurons....
> > I guess your plant argument boils down to (no pun inten....) to: Is
> > cruelness only limited to those who are aware?
> > A fair question. Lets stand it on it's head: Is it cruel to maim and
> > otherwise inflict pain if the inflicter is not aware of their acts?
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