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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:aquatic-plants-bounces at actwin_com] On Behalf Of S. Hieber
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:58 PM
To: aquatic plants digest
Subject: Re: [APD] Floating plant leaves and algae etc

You found algae correlative with detritius. From this you deduce NH4 as the
algae producer? What's the missing step?

sh

----- Original Message ----
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii at yahoo_com>
To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:47:34 PM
Subject: [APD] Floating plant leaves and algae etc

If you consider leeching from decaying plant materials, such as
..............floating leaves from the week, these decay fairly rapidly.
  As they do so, they have reduced bound organic N, this decays into NH4,
which if there is enough, can help algae spores "germinate" to grow.

  If something causes the plants to lose their leaves etc, or rot on the
plant, this will also provide a much better chance for algae.
  Some plants are stunted and are no longer really growing. These plants are
slowly leaking nutrients out, providing good nutrient conditions for algae
growing on them. 

  To test this, I recently placed some trimmings and leaves in one tank and
netted the rest out of another tank. I had lots of algae in one tank and
none in the other. 
  Both tanks were running fine before. We tried this in a couple of small
ponds, same thing. 

  Not quite like adding NH4 from an inorganic form, I did get much more
staghorn algae vs adding NH4.

  I also had more staghorn in past heavy bioloading test than GW.

  So green water seems to like NH4 a lot, but the staghorn appears when the
organic forms of N/NH4 are available.

  I add more and more ghost shrimp till I got algae(about 200-300 in a 25
gal), this is why we cannot supply all the N from fish waste without algae
and need things like KNO3.

  I figured the source of organic N should not matter, fish, shrimp, dead
plant parts, excess food etc.

  And........it appear to be true.

  But the other issue that has me wondering, is very low O2 levels as a
potential inducer of algae spores. High CO2/low O2 conditions. I've done
ambient O2, but not low O2. Adding lots of dead plant matter can cause the
O2 to go lower rapidly. I did not test this parameter, but will in the
future test. 

  Regards, 
  Tom Barr  

  www.BarrReport.com

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Fishy Style Swimming (Vaughn Hopkins)
2. Re: Fishy Style Swimming (S. Hieber)
3. Re: filters (Liz Wilhite)
4. Unsubcribe (jd)
5. Re: Fishy Style Swimming (Terry Barber)
6. Re: Fishy Style Swimming (Jerry Foster)
7. Re: Fishy Style Swimming (Derek Parr)
8. Re: Fishy Style Swimming (S. Hieber)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:15:23 -0800
From: Vaughn Hopkins 
Subject: Re: [APD] Fishy Style Swimming
To: aquatic plants digest 

Coming to a store near you! My new trout fishing system. It 
incorporates neodymium magnets hidden inside wingless fruit flies. 
And, a "lure" consisting of another neodymium magnet with feathers on 
it. (This product will not be available in states or jurisdictions 
where use of magnets for sporting purposes has been restricted.)

Vaughn H.

On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 08:43 AM, Jerry Baker wrote:

> S. Hieber wrote:
>> I'm not recommending this as a fair treatment for animals, but just 
>> to point out that with a little magnetism, one can really mess around 
>> with small animals.
>
> Including placing magnets on pigeons' heads. It makes them unable to
> navigate.
>
> It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine coaxing a fish to eat a
> small neodymium magnet. Those things are powerful.
>
> -- 
> Jerry Baker
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:51:29 -0800 (PST)
From: "S. Hieber" 
Subject: Re: [APD] Fishy Style Swimming
To: aquatic plants digest 

And it makes them inelegible to ship via aircraft!

sh

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----- Original Message ----

Including placing magnets on pigeons' heads. It makes them unable to 
navigate.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine coaxing a fish to eat a 
small neodymium magnet. Those things are powerful.

-- 
Jerry Baker
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:50:36 -0800
From: Liz Wilhite 
Subject: Re: [APD] filters
To: aquatic plants digest 

On 1/14/06, S. Hieber wrote:
>
>
> To me, it was like a car salesman coming to a party and trying to sell
> cars. Just plain rude and obnoxious -- the diff between people sharing
info
> and someone just there to try to make a buck off of ya. An honest living
is
> fine but don't come to the party and try to work the crowd.

Yeah, but most car salesmen don't claim that their company invented the
internal combustion engine.

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:19:49 -0500
From: "jd" 
Subject: [APD] Unsubcribe
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:10:07 -0500
From: "Terry Barber" 
Subject: Re: [APD] Fishy Style Swimming
To: "S. Hieber" , "aquatic plants digest"

yeah I think Mike might be right on this one. What we don't know is what
the trainer is saying while he conducts the fish. My guess is that there
are verbal commands also for the person hidden under the table.

Sigh - it was fun while it lasted.

Terry

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 18:24:10 -0800
From: Jerry Foster 
Subject: Re: [APD] Fishy Style Swimming
To: aquatic plants digest 

Isn't reasonably obvious that this is a computer generated animation 
(simulation)?

Jerry

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:56:36 -0500
From: Derek Parr 
Subject: Re: [APD] Fishy Style Swimming
To: aquatic plants digest 

nah.. recreating such realistic low quality video ... the very 
detailed animation of the fish (their fins move very independently of 
each other) etc etc is a very very involved and time consuming project.
And even then its very unlikely and extremely difficult to pull off the 
realism. There's so many things that show up in animation that give it 
away if you look closely. Using magnets would be tons simpler and easier.

-derek parr

Jerry Foster wrote:

> Isn't reasonably obvious that this is a computer generated animation 
> (simulation)?
> 
> Jerry
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:29:40 -0800 (PST)
From: "S. Hieber" 
Subject: Re: [APD] Fishy Style Swimming
To: aquatic plants digest 

No. I thought about that but I think that would be more work than magnets.

----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Foster 
To: aquatic plants digest 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:24:10 PM
Subject: Re: [APD] Fishy Style Swimming

Isn't reasonably obvious that this is a computer generated animation 
(simulation)?

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