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Re: [APD] Science

urville wrote:
> to bypass all the arguing and lengthy responses let me say this. which 
> is more to my original point. Having a degree doesnt keep a person from 
> being a complete distasteful individual i wouldnt want to be around. i 
> dont think i really need to draw that line in the sand. it's obvious.

That is so very true, but I'm not sure what the influence of college 
degrees on the likability of a person has to do with this conversation???

> i 
> think SOME things are possibly not true, and SOME things happen for 
> different reasons than we currently believe.

That's a good topic of conversation. Sometimes I ask people to elaborate 
on the reasons, or the logical basis, for their beliefs. Most people are 
uncomfortable having someone else question their beliefs. Some even view 
it as an attack. I think it's really just a case of projecting an 
internal discomfort with our own beliefs. It seems to me that when I am 
made uncomfortable by someone questioning my beliefs, it is really 
because I am being shown (or reminded) that my belief is either 
incorrect, or has no logical basis. It is only when I have no doubt that 
I am not uncomfortable with the questions.

>  I think anything based on 
> observation ahs the variable of perspective amking it less than 100% 
> reliable. I'm often pragmatic by nature so prove it is an important part 
> of my system at times. There are many levels and types of intelligence. 
> And knowledge istn one of them for me. it's a process of memory only, 
> there is no origination at its basic level. things IMO can get too 
> semantic i believe this discussion has, i'm as guilty as any. I also 
> dont want to bother the list with it anymore as you cant change my 
> perspective anymore than I yours which is evident by the post. and on 
> and on. I never questioned your belief to not be true. I only stated I 
> agreed with Tom thus making me as big a target. i dont htink people have 
> the right to make others believe the same things as them or society at 
> large. period.
> All the self righteous and know it alls i've ever known 
> are lonely people. deduce your own feelings on that. i never disagreed 
> with you. nor did i agree.
> was anything proven?

The point of a public list is not only to engage in a private 
conversation between two individuals. These posts are archived for 
posterity. Perhaps there is someone else out there with an interest in 
the conversation. I haven't challenged your statements, or anyone else's 
because I wanted to irritate you. I challenge them because this is a 
"public record" so to speak, and it is important that new claims be 
subject to scrutiny.

> and finally to be snide for two seconds...
> who gives a crap what a piano does on  pluto. 

Why, you do. Here, I'll remind you:

Rachel: would you like to stand under a suspended piano and see what 
happens when I cut the rope?
urville: can we do it on another planet?

Jerry Baker
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