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Re: [APD] Hell Froze over



Hell must of frozen over, George has now posted 4 in a row:-)
Come on George, folks here miss ya(at least the ones that have
been around that long:-)

Speaking of Hell, I have been making Redox probes like a mad man
for some wetland soil time series test.

I'll see if I can make a doze or so and see how the redox
behaves as the tank grows in well and gets more estblished root
systems.

Since I can make them myself, I can afford many and make them
any size/length.

I can measure the redox in any substrate and depth over time and
see how peat, NH4, Fe, laterite, etc affects things.

Most tanks take about 2-4 weeks to estblish, but adding mulm
seems to instantly cycle a tank, but what about the anoxic
layers?

There are the micro sites that have lower/higher Redox levels so
a grain of salt maybe needed. But doing 5 probes per tank and
taking a reading once every few days/daily can give us an idea
of the redox changes over a month in the intial set up.

I've never measured the peat additions in terms of redox, but if
I can target 150-250 mv, that would ideal.

Still, better than paying 40-60$ a probe.

I'm doing an OM content of various wetland soils at the moment
and comparing the redox over time for the 3 and we have 6 probes
in each soil type. One has no SO4, the other does and one has
low OM.

Regards, 
Tom Barr




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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:12:28 -0400 (EDT)
> From: urville <urville at peoplepc_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Cherax blue lobsters
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> 
> lol. i think you'd need an unrealistic number of them to eat
> just one human fecal contribution.
> 
> like i said i could be wrong
> ian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> If there was such an animal, don't you think all the sewer
> processing plants 
> in the world would be using them? :-)
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:59:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "S. Hieber" <shieber at yahoo_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Hell froze over???
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> 
> 
> so true.
> 
> sh
> --- gbooth at frii_com wrote:
> 
> > Proof positive of the Nether Region's Cold Snap.  Scott
> > H. did not "get
> > the last word in."
> > 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:28:16 -0700
> From: James H <spreerider at gmail_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Cherax blue lobsters
> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> 
> i cant say about Cherax blue lobsters but i keep signal
> crayfish our local
> species, and they eat all plants in a matter of days, even
> java fern and
> anubias. my friend has one Cherax blue lobster and he feeds it
> goldfish and
> guppies and it has no problem catching them, they are slow
> most of the time
> but go very fast when they have to.
> James
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:44:51 -0400
> From: "Charlie" <Charlie_Shaw at SecureStat.com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Cherax blue lobsters
> To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> 
> I had a blue lobster before. I fed him feeder goldfish. The
> one I had was by
> no means to slow to catch fish. He was also a big plant eater.
> Liked
> anacharis quite a bit. I liked him a lot, but he was quite
> anti-social and
> ended up with his own tank until he died not so long ago.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:25:51 -0600
> From: "George Booth" <gbooth at frii_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Java Fern
> To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> 
> From: "Matt Wassenhove" <wass29 at qconline_com>
> 
> > I know that almost everybody has grown Java fern before.  
> > Java Fern can grow to be like 6-8inches right? 
> 
> With good conditions, it is only limited by the tank size. 
> We've had 20"
> leaves in a 120g (24" high) tank. 
> 
> > How come mine always looks like a bunch of
> > little plants all growing on top of each other.  
> 
> The spores on the leaves are "hatching" and providing you new
> plants.  Ours
> will get spores on older leaves then new plants will sprout
> from them.
> Maybe the leaf had reached the end of its life and was
> reproducing. Maybe
> your conditions aren't optimum and all the leaves are dying
> and trying to
> reproduce.  
> 
> Ours are not slow growing plants either. 
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:15:04 +0800
> From: Terence <apisto at gmail_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Java Fern
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> 
> Matt,
> 
> George is right. Java fern being a deep dark green and
> constantly growing
> new plants from the leaves ain't good, those are signs of
> dying (thus the
> constant sprouting of new plantlets). You've to look into
> better conditions
> for them: light, temperature (around 25-28 degrees Celcius)
> and try having a
> slow-moderate water current hitting them.
> 
> --
> Terence
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:21:12 -0600
> From: urville <urville at peoplepc_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Java Fern
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> 
> One time I let a java fern get dried out during planting and
> it was dark 
> green with weird brown spots and sprouting plantlets once it
> was in. But 
> it grew new leaves soon that were more of a lime color. If
> yours isnt 
> developing new leaves at the same time i have to say they are
> right.
> Ian
> 
> Terence wrote:
> 
> >George is right. Java fern being a deep dark green and
> constantly growing
> >new plants from the leaves ain't good, those are signs of
> dying (thus the
> >constant sprouting of new plantlets). You've to look into
> better conditions
> >for them: light, temperature (around 25-28 degrees Celcius)
> and try having a
> >slow-moderate water current hitting them.
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "S. Hieber" <shieber at yahoo_com>
> Subject: Re: [APD] Java Fern
> To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> 
> We've come to expect that from you and Karla :-)
> 
> However, compared to other plants under equally favorable
> conditions, would you say that java fern is relatively
> slower growing?
> 
> sh
> 
> --- George Booth <gbooth at frii_com> wrote [regarding java
> ferns]:
> 
> > . . . 
> > Ours are not slow growing plants either. 
> > 
> 
> 
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