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RE: [APD] Campho phonic(sp) in tank
Just a few comments. Camphor is probably not harmfull in
trace amounts but sunlight (or the UV portion of it) will
probably kill the odor.
If the oil resists soap and water or detergent and water or
both, then you can try remove the stubborn oil with a diff
solvent that can be washed away with soap or detergent.
Vegetable oil is a mild, slightly slow acting solvent for
many oils, including street tar, oil-based paints, etc. And
it's much less harmful than than some of the stronger
solvents, unless you eat too much of it. . .
Scott H.
--- "Rozell, Spencer" <srozell at mdsi_ca> wrote:
> I'm really surprised the dish soap didn't work. When
> using dish soap to remove oils, it is best to apply the
> liquid dish soap and scrub a little before using any
> water at all. If you tried that and it didn't work, then
> try toothpaste. It is frequently used to clean oils off
> of diving masks and it is water soluble.
>
> Please note that my last suggestion not only works for
> cleaning oils out of tanks, but it is also good for
> disposing of corpses:
>
> Use some industrial hand cleaner, then dish soap, then
> rinse the snot out of the tank, then bake it at 1000
> degrees for exactly 23 minutes, then leave it to sun
> bleach for 14 days. Finally sand blast it at 2300 PSI
> using fine silica sand mixed with water and beach salt.
> Please remove any live fish or plants before beginning
> this procedure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquatic-plants-bounces+srozell=mdsi_ca at actwin.com
>
[mailto:aquatic-plants-bounces+srozell=mdsi_ca at actwin.com]On
> Behalf Of
> Rik Vandiver
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:25 AM
> To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> Subject: [APD] Campho phonic(sp) in tank
>
>
> My :-( :-[ >:o nephew who is 24 put this cold sore
> medicine in my 30
> gallon tank to kill my fish. I need to know how to get
> this oily crap
> out of the tank so that I can reuse it . I have bleached
> it along with
> using dish soap and it still has a camphor smell. Please
> no comments
> about how one of us should move out as this is my
> mother's house and
> she refuses to make him leave and I have no funds to do
> so :-(
>
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> > 1. Re: Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 14, Issue 45
> (Thomas Barr)
> > 2. Amazon anyone? (Karen Randall)
> > 3. RE: Amazon anyone? (Quinn, Sherry)
> > 4. RE: Amazon anyone? (Quinn, Sherry)
> > 5. Siesta to prevent algae? (CameronM)
> > 6. Re: Serial killer ghost shrimp (Ben B.)
> > 7. Free aquarium in Toronto (JAMES PURCHASE)
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:20:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> >From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii at earthlink_net>
> >Subject: [APD] Re: Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 14, Issue
> 45
> >To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I just bought a German book published by Dennerle. (As
> >>far as I know, an English version is not available.)
> The title
> >>translates as "System for Fascinating Aquariums". The
> book
> >>has a quite a bit to say about preventing algae. One of
> the
> >>suggestions is one that I have not come across before,
> and I'd
> >>be interested whether anyone has any comments. Here is
> the
> >>relevant passage:
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I gave a critique of their suggestions on APD, and AQ.
> >A rather blistering critque...
> >It was from their Englisg version site.
> >You can look it up on those forums.
> >
> >
> >
> >>"Our recommendation [to reduce algae growth]:
> >>
> >>
> > >Reduce the lighting duration from 12 to 10, 9, or 8
> hours. Or,
> > >even better, allow your plants and fish a `siesta'.
> The following
> > >rhythm has proven itself: 4-5 hours light in the
> morning, then a
> > >a dark period of 2-4 hours, followed by 4-7 hours of
> light.
> >
> >Well, my suggestion is to improve the plant growth.
> >Algae and plants both have choloroplast, why would this
> do anything?
> >
> >I think what is occuring is that the CO2 is mildly
> insufficent. Turning off the lights stops the CO2 uptake.
> >This gives the CO2 system and chance to catch up.
> >
> >Unless they do a control and make sure other parameter
> are independent the lighting, how will you know?
> >I suppose just try it and see but you need to be sure
> that the light in and of itself is the causative
> variable.
> >
> >
> >
> >>"During the dark period, the tank should not be
> entirely dark, but
> >>receive diffuse light from a window at 2-3 meters
> distance or from
> >>a light bulb at 1-2 meters distance. The light periods
> should always
> >>last for at least 4 hours because shorter light
> periods are not registered
> >>by many plants. Contrary to popular opinion, we have
> not noticed any
> >>negative effects of this lighting rhythm on either fish
> or plants --
> >> presumably
> >>because significant light reduction is frequent in the
> tropics, for example
> >>due to thunderstorms."
> >>
> >>
> >
> >And algae are also sujected to this same environment!
> >We have algae in the northern regions, in deserts, etc,
> they still grow, I don't buy the tropics thunderstorm
> arguement for a second.
> >
> >
> >
> >>"Algae obviously dislike the `siesta'."
> >>
> >>
> >
> >It's not so obvious to me.
> >
> >
> >
> >>It is currently unknown whether
> >>this is due to the [in evolutionary terms] `primitive'
> algae being less
> >>adaptable than the`modern' plants, or whether this is
> due to an
> >>improved oxidation/reduction balance. At any rate, the
> `siesta' is
> >>surprisingly effective against algae."
> >>
> >>
> >
> >If you assume it works.
> >It does not hurt anything really so folks can try it
> out, no harm done.
> >Cables the same deal.
> >But they cost$.
> >
> >
> >
> >>I was curious as to whether anyone has tried this and
> could pass on
> >>any comments. Personally, I don't see how it would make
> a difference --
> >>when I turn on the lights, I can watch my plants
> producing oxygen bubbles
> >>within a few minutes, and when I turn the lights off, I
> see the bubbles
> >>disappear within a few minutes; presumably, algae would
> do exactly the
> >>same thing, that is, start photosynthesis as soon as
> light is available, and
> >>stop it again when the light disappears. So, I don't
> see how having a
> >>dark period in the middle of the day would help to
> reduce algae --
> >>the total lighting period and intensity is the same, so
> I'd expect the
> >>same total growth. But maybe I'm missing something more
> subtle?
> >>Cheers,
> >>Michi.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No, you are a right on.
> >Try it and see, it doesn no harm.
> >If it does work, check your CO2 carefully over the same
> time peroid.
> >
> >For CO2 enrichement:
> >90-95% of algae problems can be traced to CO2, the other
> 7-4% are NO3 related.
> >
> >If a peroid of dark helps, then a blackout will do the
> most harm to algae vs plants.
> >Generally less light is better also.
> >This also places less demand on CO2 supply.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tom Barr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 2
> >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:57:05 -0400
> >From: "Karen Randall" <krandall at rdrcpa_biz>
> >Subject: [APD] Amazon anyone?
> >To: <Aquatic-Plants at actwin_com>
> >
> >Hi Folks,
> >
> >For those of you who are not also members of the AGA
> mailing list, I thought
> >I'd post this here. Scott Heiber and I are both going
> with Dr. Chao on a
> >trip through the Brazilian Amazon. We will visit clear
> water, black water
> >and white water areas, attend the Fish Festival in
> Barcelos, and spend two
> >days in terra firma forest exploring streams and lakes.
> >
> >This is a wonderful way to learn more about aquatic
> ecosystems, enjoy nature
> >and have a relaxing vacation at the same time. The boat
> is clean and
> >comfortable, 2 to a room, each room has its own
> bathroom. The food is good,
> >plentiful, and safe.
> >
> >If you would like more information about the trip,
> please contact me
> >off-list. The boat is filling up, but there are still a
> few places
> >available.
> >
> >Karen
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:00:05 -0400
> >From: "Quinn, Sherry" <Sherry_Quinn at ingenix.com>
> >Subject: RE: [APD] Amazon anyone?
> >To: "'aquatic plants digest'"
> <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> >Hi Karen,
> > I might be interested in the trip depending on the
> dates. Could you
> >please let me know what dates the trip would be? Also
> do you have an idea
> >of the cost?
> >Thank you very much.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Sherry Quinn
> >Burlington, MA
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Karen Randall [mailto:krandall at rdrcpa_biz]
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:57 PM
> >To: Aquatic-Plants at actwin_com
> >Subject: [APD] Amazon anyone?
> >
> >
> >Hi Folks,
> >
> >For those of you who are not also members of the AGA
> mailing list, I thought
> >I'd post this here. Scott Heiber and I are both going
> with Dr. Chao on a
> >trip through the Brazilian Amazon. We will visit clear
> water, black water
> >and white water areas, attend the Fish Festival in
> Barcelos, and spend two
> >days in terra firma forest exploring streams and lakes.
> >
> >This is a wonderful way to learn more about aquatic
> ecosystems, enjoy nature
> >and have a relaxing vacation at the same time. The boat
> is clean and
> >comfortable, 2 to a room, each room has its own
> bathroom. The food is good,
> >plentiful, and safe.
> >
> >If you would like more information about the trip,
> please contact me
> >off-list. The boat is filling up, but there are still a
> few places
> >available.
> >
> >Karen
> >
> >
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> >Message: 4
> >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:04:03 -0400
> >From: "Quinn, Sherry" <Sherry_Quinn at ingenix.com>
> >Subject: RE: [APD] Amazon anyone?
> >To: "'aquatic plants digest'"
> <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> >oops! Sorry for sending this to everyone. :)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Quinn, Sherry [mailto:Sherry_Quinn at Ingenix.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:00 PM
> >To: 'aquatic plants digest'
> >Subject: RE: [APD] Amazon anyone?
> >
> >
> >Hi Karen,
> > I might be interested in the trip depending on the
> dates. Could you
> >please let me know what dates the trip would be? Also
> do you have an idea
> >of the cost?
> >Thank you very much.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Sherry Quinn
> >Burlington, MA
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Karen Randall [mailto:krandall at rdrcpa_biz]
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:57 PM
> >To: Aquatic-Plants at actwin_com
> >Subject: [APD] Amazon anyone?
> >
> >
> >Hi Folks,
> >
> >For those of you who are not also members of the AGA
> mailing list, I thought
> >I'd post this here. Scott Heiber and I are both going
> with Dr. Chao on a
> >trip through the Brazilian Amazon. We will visit clear
> water, black water
> >and white water areas, attend the Fish Festival in
> Barcelos, and spend two
> >days in terra firma forest exploring streams and lakes.
> >
> >This is a wonderful way to learn more about aquatic
> ecosystems, enjoy nature
> >and have a relaxing vacation at the same time. The boat
> is clean and
> >comfortable, 2 to a room, each room has its own
> bathroom. The food is good,
> >plentiful, and safe.
> >
> >If you would like more information about the trip,
> please contact me
> >off-list. The boat is filling up, but there are still a
> few places
> >available.
> >
> >Karen
> >
> >
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> >Message: 5
> >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:01:58 +0200
> >From: "CameronM" <cameronm at rse_co.za>
> >Subject: [APD] Siesta to prevent algae?
> >To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> >"Michi Henning" said:
> >
> >"Our recommendation [to reduce algae growth]:
> > Reduce the lighting duration from 12 to 10, 9, or 8
> hours. Or,
> > even better, allow your plants and fish a `siesta'. The
> following
> > rhythm has proven itself: 4-5 hours light in the
> morning, then a
> > a dark period of 2-4 hours, followed by 4-7 hours of
> light."
> >
> >Hi Michi
> >
> >Although I have not tried this method myself I have 2
> cents to add.
> >
> >1c. Theoretically I get what they're saying but as Tom
> said a few days/weeks ago this is just going to confuse
> your plants and waste their energy. Basically they're
> going to slow down their photosynthesising process in the
> middle of the day for a siesta only to be told a few
> hours later that its time to go full ball again! Is this
> in an effort to imitate nature (clouds overhead etc).
> >
> >2c. I think this theory would work better (IMHO) if it
> was on a daily basis, say, one day on one day off
> (lights). It would hurt the alga much more than the
> plants.
> >
> >But as Tom is constantly drilling into us: try and focus
> on the plant growth and not on the algae. The above
> method is only for growing algae (again IMO). If you have
> decent lighting, good co2, and you're feeding the plants
> regularly then there should be minimal algae. Obviously
> we all have some algae in our tanks but thats just the
> way it goes. It would be near impossible to erradicate
> all alga 100%.
> >
> >Thanks to Toms advice (about a year ago) I survived a
> BGA attack of note. It completely engulfed my tank (a wee
> 10 gallon), poor plants :(. It was suggested to add no3
> and do a blackout. I did not do the blackout but did
> start adding no3 at liberal doses several times a week.
> It took about 2 weeks but after the 2nd WC all traces of
> BGA were moot :):):).
> >To this day the tank is still going fairly well (I now
> have BBA :) Now there's a sucker thats not as forgiving
> as BGA, I'm working on it :)
> >
> >*still waffling* IME BGA shows up in near 'clinical'
> conditions, new tanks setups etc. These are the
> conditions that favour BGA, as soon as all the
> 'processes' like cycling and mulm build up have occured
> and things begin to fall into place then you find that
> BGA is not as dominating as before and is pretty much
> controlable.
> >
> >Kindest Regards
> >Cameron James
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 6
> >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:10:49 -0400
> >From: "Ben B." <benrx at verizon_net>
> >Subject: [APD] Re: Serial killer ghost shrimp
> >To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> >I had some shrimp sold to me as a "Whisker Shrimp" that
> looked just like a ghost shrimp, but about twice as big.
> I saw one of them swim up in the water, grab a small Blue
> Ram, and then begin to eat it. They would aggressively
> attack my hands when I was working in the tank.
> >
> >I don't have "Whisker Shrimp" anymore.
> >
> >Ben in Virginia
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 7
> >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:20:24 -0400
> >From: "JAMES PURCHASE" <jppurchase at rogers_com>
> >Subject: [APD] Free aquarium in Toronto
> >To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> >
> >Hi folks,
> >
> >I have a 120 gallon aquarium and stand available for
> FREE! to anyone in the
> >Toronto area capable of moving it. (it ought to take
> around 4 big muscular
> >guys and a truck). The gravel, if desired, is also
> availlable.
> >
> >I am going to be moving into a smaller place in a few
> months and won't have
> >the room for a six foot long aquarium.
> >
> >James Purchase
> >Toronto
> >
> >
> >
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