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Thanks for the couple of suggestions.  I will look at the grocery store
tonight.  

Jas


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   1. Re: Re: Growing Glosso Update (S. Hieber)
   2. Re: RE: (high pH) Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 7, Issue 20
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:45:53 -0800 (PST)
From: "S. Hieber" <shieber at yahoo_com>
Subject: Re: [APD] Re: Growing Glosso Update
To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>

This seems like a crazy way to decide how much light ot put
on an aquarium. It's not that ad homminum appeals are rare
in the hobby -- they are quite common. But in this case
there is so little data put into the picture.  

Are the tanks made for long term or for the photograph?

How much maintenncance is done, other relevent  stuff like that.

That doesn't mean that one shouldn't try it.  But I
wouldn't equate the graph to something that supports a
general rule of thumb for lighting aquaria.

Scott H.
--- Andrew McLeod <thefish at theabyssalplain_freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:46:16 -0500, Byron Yu <byronjyu at hotmail_com> 
> wrote:
> 
> If you look at the chart on the www.fitchfamily.com/lighting.html 
> page, you see that over the 'typical' range of a planted tank
> (say 20-100 
> gallons) the WPG rule (the red line) is not a terrible
> indicator of the 
> lighting used by Amano, and the V^(2/3) fit (green line)
> is possibly even 
> better than the purple fit suggested (and works for
> larger tanks as well). 
> Maybe I'll try it on the data given in the AGA contest...
> 
> Just saying that the data is open to wide
> interpretation...
> 
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Bill wrote:
> >> You have 6.5 watts per gallon!  That alone might be
> sufficient to raise
> >> the temperature to the 90's.  I wonder if that
> enormous amount of light
> >> >could have stressed the fish to the extent that ich
> could wage a
> >> successful attack.
> >> Others here know more about light and most other
> plants things than I
> >> do, but I think if you so much as look at your tank
> the wrong way you
> >> will >have a mess on your hands.  Maybe think about
> cutting back on the
> >> light?
> >
> > You should read this article... 
> > http://www.fitchfamily.com/lighting.html
> > It's a different approach to lighting and kind of
> throws aways that old
> > 3 watt/gallon rule. I believe in the theory cause when
> i only had 65
> > watts on my 20 gallon, my red plants were not turning
> red. I admit, even
> > based on that article i am still a bit on the high side
> of lighting, but
> > the plants are gorgeous, and the heat is controlled
> cause the lighting
> > source is 2 power compacts that have a fans on them.
> Besides, i think
> > the fish got ick not through stress, but through the
> introduction of
> > some new fish that had ick on them.
> >
> > which brings my to Candy's comment.I know i should have
> a
> > sick/quarantine tank.i may get one yet.. but i'm just
> "fishing" for
> > other suggestions. Turning up the heat to 85 degrees
> sounds like a plan,
> > but i'm afraid my plants can't handle that. I believe
> my cyperus herefi
> > and lace plants don't like high temps. I don't want to
> be cruel, but my
> > plants and shrimps are all important. 
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Message: 2
Date: Mon,  8 Mar 2004 12:52:24 -0500
From: revance at indiana_edu
Subject: Re: [APD] RE: (high pH) Aquatic-Plants Digest, Vol 7, Issue
	20
To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>

Sorry, I forgot to mention something. 

Jas, I don't know how familiar you are with RO water, but it is
basically 
water with everything else taken out. Adding the RO Right is simply
adding 
back the "good things" that you want. It is not quite the same as adding

chemical conditioning products such as pH down etc. It is very easy to
use and 
doesn't come with the nasty side effects that most chemical additives
do. I 
just wanted to let you know that it does not cause what you reffer to 
as "chemical hell".  I just wanted to make this difference clear. Again 
sorry... I talk too much.


Quoting revance at indiana_edu:

> What is probably causing your high pH is your KH or carbonate 
> hardness. Are
> you using tap water? If so, have you tested your tap water? You will
probably
> 
> find that it too has a high KH and pH. Mine has a VERY high KH and 
> even with
> 
> CO2 injection I can only manage to get my pH down to 7.8 (and that is 
> getting
> 
> almost dangerously high levels of CO2).
> 
> You could try various water softening methods, but I think it is 
> easier to
> just do water changes with reverse osmosis water to bring it down. I
use 
> reverse osmosis water with RO Right (or similar product). The RO right
puts 
> trace elements and other elements that are needed in the water. By
following
> 
> the instructions for the RO Right you can adjust your KH and pH by 
> adding
> different amounts of it. If you want a lower pH, you just don't add as
much.
> 
> Again, the instructions of most products will give you a guidline of 
> how much
> 
> you want to use per gallon for your targeted pH.
> 
> You can get RO water from almost any grocery store. They usually have 
> a self
> 
> service dispenser. Make sure it is REALLY reverse osmosis water! Good 
> ones
> will have an explanation of the filtration process and it usually
includes 
> carbon, RO membrane, and UV sterilization. I know many people don't
like
> these 
> because they usually aren't as good as the ones you can buy yourself,
but a 
> good RO unit will cost you hundreds of dollars. If you are up to the 
> commitment go for it... its a great thing to have. Otherwise... the
ones at 
> the grocery store are good enough for me (come on... you are comparing
it to
> 
> tap water) and only cost about $0.35 a gallon.
> 
> Russ
> 
> 
> Quoting Jason <romans837 at copper_net>:
> 
> > I just set up a new tank last night and I am experiencing an 
> > extremely high ph.  I have a master test kit and here is what I have
> > 
> > Gh is 9
> > Ph is 8.8+ (this is using the high range test)
> > 
> > One thing I need to know is will this hurt the plants I have.  I got

> > java fern, hydrophilia, and anubias. Two this is way to high for the

> > fish I am thinking of getting.  Most of the fish I want are in the 
> > 6.5 to 8.0 range.
> > 
> > Any ideas on how to safely lower it without getting into chemical 
> > hell.
> > 
> > 
> > I have heard of using peat with a carbon filter is this a good way 
> > to go?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jas
> > 
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> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. Re:Growing Glosso Update.  (Candy M.)
> >    2. Re: planting small foreground plants (Wright Huntley)
> >    3. Re: Strange nutrient absorption problem (S. Hieber)
> >    4. Re: Growing Glosso Update (Billinet at aol_com)
> >    5. Re: What is Malay fern? (Chuck H)
> >    6. Re: Growing Glosso Update (Byron Yu)
> >    7. Re: Growing Glosso Update (Andrew McLeod)
> > 
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:13:44 -0600
> > From: "Candy M." <cry_little_sister at hotmail_com>
> > Subject: Re:[APD] Growing Glosso Update.
> > To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> > 
> > The fish may develop a resistance to the ick but then they may not. 
> > IMHO
> > 
> > letting them die to get new fish is simply cruel especially if you 
> > consider that the ick will still be in the tank waiting to jump on 
> > any fish you toss
> > in it as soon as they are stressed, simply buying new fish will
cause 
> > stress... not to mention the ordeals they suffered before you got
them.
> > If 
> > you don't have a sick tank then you don't have a quarantine tank so
what
> > 
> > ever new fish you buy will risk adding even more possible problems 
> > to the tank you don't want to treat. My suggestion is if you simply 
> > will not set up
> > a sick/quarantine tank is to buy a plastic container to treat them
in.
> > 
> > While the plants are the focus of my tanks, I am still a soft touch 
> > with
> > 
> > living creatures sorry if the above offends you.
> > 
> > As far as the algae eaters, you can supplement their diet with 
> > blanched
> > vegetables like zucchini, cucumber, green beans etc.
> > 
> > Candy
> > 
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> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 21:52:10 -0800
> > From: Wright Huntley <whuntley at verizon_net>
> > Subject: Re: [APD] planting small foreground plants
> > To: Aquatic Plants Digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> > 
> > Shireen,
> > 
> > > From: Shireen Gonzaga <whimbrel at comcast_net>
> > > Subject: [APD] planting small foreground plants
> > > To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> > > Cc: Shireen Gonzaga <whimbrel at comcast_net>
> > > 
> > > Hi ... I've been having a hard time planting small foreground 
> > > plants like glosso because my fish keep uprooting them! Does 
> > > anyone have creative ideas on how to secure them till a good root 
> > > system has been established? The culprits are mostly flagfish, and

> > > I think some of the
> > 
> > > Aphyosemion australe are doing it too.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > >    shireen
> > 
> > Have you been feeding them plenty of veggies? *J. floridae* will 
> > consume
> > 
> > impressive amounts of microwave-blanced zucchini ends and similar 
> > foods.
> > 
> > [Failure to provide them will force the fish to go for the easier
> > plants, as algae is just minor snack food to them.]
> > 
> > The blanching in a bit of water drives out much of the air, and you 
> > can
> > squeeze the rest out. That softens and lets the veggies sink and
stay 
> > down where the fish can pick at them easier.
> > 
> > Pupfish, like the American-Flag Fish, are primarily vegetarians and 
> > they
> > 
> > are just doin' what comes "natural." :-) I vaguely recall that they 
> > also
> > 
> > like some sinking pellets as made for pl*ckos.
> > 
> > For securing small, fine plants, it is hard to beat wrapping in a 
> > fine
> > hairnet (that can include a stone, if needed).
> > 
> > Wright
> > 
> > --
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> >                      760 872-3995
> > 
> > "Do we really think that a government-dominated education is going 
> > to
> > produce citizens capable of dominating their government, as the 
> > education of a truly vigilant self-governing people requires?" [Alan
> > Keyes]
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 03:18:22 -0800 (PST)
> > From: "S. Hieber" <shieber at yahoo_com>
> > Subject: Re: [APD] Strange nutrient absorption problem
> > To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> > 
> > First, be sure that your nitrate tests are giving accurate readings.

> > Do yo have any corroboration from other testing?
> > 
> > If you have a high fish load, it's not hard to be adding enough 
> > nitrates from the fish food that no suppplementation is necessary 
> > even if there is virtually no nitrates coming in via the tap water.
> > 
> > If fish food is your only source of nitrates bringin your up over 
> > about 5-10 ppm, then adjust your water change amounts or schedule to

> > bring the nitrtes back down in to that range. Cleaning your 
> > mechanical filtration media more often can also help. Also long as 
> > the detritus in inthe water system, it continues to add to the 
> > nitrates in the water.
> > 
> > Sounds like a lot of potassium to me. You add in one dose about 
> > twice what I do all week with 50% water changes weekly.
> > 
> > I'd like to measure the ortho-phosphates to see if you need to add 
> > as much as you are adding. try to target your phosphates for a level

> > about one tenth you nitrate level (0.5-1.0 ppm).
> > 
> > Adding plant food sticks to the substrate can give a plant a big 
> > boost but it can easily diffuse into the water column and might be a

> > major source of your water column nitrates.
> > 
> > Scott H.
> > 
> > --- Kevin Sheller <kevmo at arenafan_com> wrote:
> > > I'm having some problems. Here's some stats before we get to the 
> > > problem...
> > > 
> > > 75 Gallon
> > > 1 year and 1 month old
> > > 192 watts of standard fluorescents (two 3-bulb T8 hoods - I 
> > > haven't changed the bulbs yet)
> > > Medium-high fish load (12 large rainbows, 4 rosey barbs, standard 
> > > algae
> > > crew)
> > > PH: 6.6 - 6.8 (canister CO2 -- haven't had to refill it
> > > yet)
> > > Nitrate: 17.6 ppm (I don't add any extra)
> > > Iron & Traces: TMG, 2-3 x per week
> > > Potassium: 1 teaspoon potassium sulfate, 2-3 times per
> > > week
> > > Phosphate: 1/8 teaspoon mono potassium phosphate 2-3
> > > times per week
> > > Water changes: 40% once a week
> > > 
> > > Plants: lots of the clover groundcover stuff (not glossostigma, 
> > > the slower-growing, dark green stuff) Madagascar lace, apontageton

> > > ulvacius (which isn't growing well without jobe's sticks) lots of
> > > dwarf sag, some
> > > crypts, rotala macrandra (another that needs jobe's
> > > sticks) rotala
> > > rotundifolia, anubias barteri, giant hygro (which has
> > > just stopped growing
> > > altogether - not pinhole leaves - just stopped growing.)
> > > 
> > > Problems: Plants don't seem to be absorbing the nitrate much. I 
> > > don't have to add any, and it still seems to go up over time. Not 
> > > as much pearling as I used to have. The plants don't do as well 
> > > unless I supplement with jobe's
> > > sticks... Today I'm starting to get a bloom (bacteria or
> > > algae - not sure
> > > which yet). The plants need SOMETHING they aren't
> > > getting, but I can't
> > > figure out what.
> > > 
> > > Kevmo
> > > 
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> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:59:16 -0500
> > From: Billinet at aol_com
> > Subject: [APD] Re: Growing Glosso Update
> > To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> > 
> > For the ich problem, I suggest that you increase the temperature to 
> > the low 90's for a few days.  That has always worked for me, on 
> > those few occasions that I've had to deal with it.
> > 
> > You have 6.5 watts per gallon!  That alone might be sufficient to 
> > raise the temperature to the 90's.  I wonder if that enormous amount

> > of light could have stressed the fish to the extent that ich could 
> > wage a successful attack.
> > 
> > Others here know more about light and most other plants things than 
> > I do, but I think if you so much as look at your tank the wrong way 
> > you will have a mess on your hands.  Maybe think about cutting back 
> > on the light?
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:14:37 -0500
> > From: "Chuck H" <grendel at usit_net>
> > Subject: [APD] Re: What is Malay fern?
> > To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
> > 
> > Seweryn wrote:
> > 
> > > Anyone have any ideas of what it is? Have not found any info on it
> > > searching through the web. Looks almost like branches from a short

> > > pine tree mixed with compact, interlocked fern leaves.
> > 
> > Is this an aquatic fern?  I know of a fern that is fairly popular
> > among some herp hobbyists called Malaysian Fern, but it's a
terrarium 
> > plant that would not enjoy being submerged.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > While I am firing off questions, anyone know if a dechlorifier 
> > > states
> > > that it will neutralise heavy metals in the water, would it bind 
> > > certain constituents of PMDD?
> > 
> > I wouldn't worry about it.  These types of dechlor generally only
> > sequester a very small amount of metal, and just because a metal is 
> > bound does not necessarily make it unavailable to the plants.  Some 
> > (all?) metals in trace ferts are already bound by chelators so that 
> > they stay in solution longer (e.g., iron EDTA).
> > --
> > Chuck Huffine
> > Knoxville, Tennessee
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:46:16 -0500
> > From: "Byron Yu" <byronjyu at hotmail_com>
> > Subject: [APD] Re: Growing Glosso Update
> > To: <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> > 
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> > Bill wrote:
> > >You have 6.5 watts per gallon!  That alone might be sufficient to 
> > >raise
> > 
> > >the temperature to the 90's.  I wonder if that enormous amount of 
> > >light
> > 
> > >>could have stressed the fish to the extent that ich could wage a
> > >successful attack. Others here know more about light and most other
> > >plants things than I do, but I think if you so much as look at your

> > >tank the wrong way you will >have a mess on your hands.  Maybe
think 
> > >about cutting back on the light?
> > 
> > You should read this article... 
> > http://www.fitchfamily.com/lighting.html
> > It's a different approach to lighting and kind of throws aways that
old
> > 3 watt/gallon rule. I believe in the theory cause when i only had 65
> > watts on my 20 gallon, my red plants were not turning red. I admit,
even
> > based on that article i am still a bit on the high side of lighting,
but
> > the plants are gorgeous, and the heat is controlled cause the
lighting
> > source is 2 power compacts that have a fans on them. Besides, i
think
> > the fish got ick not through stress, but through the introduction of
> > some new fish that had ick on them. 
> > 
> > which brings my to Candy's comment.I know i should have a 
> > sick/quarantine tank.i may get one yet.. but i'm just "fishing" for 
> > other suggestions. Turning up the heat to 85 degrees sounds like a 
> > plan, but i'm afraid my plants can't handle that. I believe my 
> > cyperus herefi and lace plants don't like high temps. I don't want 
> > to be cruel, but my plants and shrimps are all important. From 
> > revance at indiana_edu Mon Mar 8 10:09:59 2004
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> > I wouldn't imagine your plants would suffer too much from high 
> > temperatures for a couple days. Many people with planted discus 
> > tanks keep their temps in
> > the mid to upper 80s all the time. I have also heard that raising
the
> > salinity 
> > of your water with aquarium salt in addition to raising the
temperature
> > is 
> > another way to eliminate ich... I tried it once and it seemed to do
the
> > job 
> > (however, it wasn't a planted tank I did it on).  Good luck
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Quoting Byron Yu <byronjyu at hotmail_com>:
> > 
> > > Hi guys,
> > > 
> > > Bill wrote:
> > > >You have 6.5 watts per gallon!  That alone might be sufficient to
> > > >raise the
> > > temperature to the 90's.  I wonder if that enormous amount of 
> > > light
> > > >could have stressed the fish to the extent that ich could wage a
> > > successful attack.
> > > >Others here know more about light and most other plants things 
> > > >than I
> > 
> > > >do,
> > > but I think if you so much as look at your tank the wrong way you 
> > > will
> > 
> > > >have a mess on your hands.  Maybe think about cutting back on the
> > > light?
> > > 
> > > You should read this article...
> > > http://www.fitchfamily.com/lighting.html
> > > It's a different approach to lighting and kind of throws aways
that 
> > > old 3 watt/gallon rule. I believe in the theory cause when i only
had 
> > > 65 watts on my 20 gallon, my red plants were not turning red. I
admit,
> > 
> > > even based on that article i am still a bit on the high side of
> > > lighting, but the plants are gorgeous, and the heat is controlled 
> > > cause the lighting source is 2 power compacts that have a fans on 
> > > them. Besides, i think the fish got ick not through stress, but 
> > > through the introduction of some new fish that had ick on them.
> > > 
> > > which brings my to Candy's comment.I know i should have a
> > > sick/quarantine tank.i may get one yet.. but i'm just "fishing"
for 
> > > other suggestions. Turning up the heat to 85 degrees sounds like a

> > > plan, but i'm afraid my plants can't handle that. I believe my
cyperus
> > 
> > > herefi and lace plants don't like high temps. I don't want to be
> > > cruel, but my plants and shrimps are all important. 
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> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:13:09 -0000
> > From: Andrew McLeod <thefish at theabyssalplain_freeserve.co.uk>
> > Subject: [APD] Re: Growing Glosso Update
> > To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
> > 
> > On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:46:16 -0500, Byron Yu <byronjyu at hotmail_com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > If you look at the chart on the www.fitchfamily.com/lighting.html 
> > page,
> > you see that over the 'typical' range of a planted tank (say 20-100 
> > gallons) the WPG rule (the red line) is not a terrible indicator of
the 
> > lighting used by Amano, and the V^(2/3) fit (green line) is possibly
> > even 
> > better than the purple fit suggested (and works for larger tanks as
> > well). 
> > Maybe I'll try it on the data given in the AGA contest...
> > 
> > Just saying that the data is open to wide interpretation...
> > 
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > Bill wrote:
> > >> You have 6.5 watts per gallon!  That alone might be sufficient to
> > >> raise
> > >> the temperature to the 90's.  I wonder if that enormous amount of
> > light
> > >> >could have stressed the fish to the extent that ich could wage a
> > >> successful attack.
> > >> Others here know more about light and most other plants things 
> > >> than I do, but I think if you so much as look at your tank the 
> > >> wrong way you
> > 
> > >> will >have a mess on your hands.  Maybe think about cutting back 
> > >> on
> > the
> > >> light?
> > >
> > > You should read this article...
> > > http://www.fitchfamily.com/lighting.html
> > > It's a different approach to lighting and kind of throws aways
that 
> > > old
> > > 3 watt/gallon rule. I believe in the theory cause when i only had
65 
> > > watts on my 20 gallon, my red plants were not turning red. I
admit,
> > even
> > > based on that article i am still a bit on the high side of 
> > > lighting,
> > but
> > > the plants are gorgeous, and the heat is controlled cause the 
> > > lighting
> > 
> > > source is 2 power compacts that have a fans on them. Besides, i 
> > > think
> > > the fish got ick not through stress, but through the introduction
of 
> > > some new fish that had ick on them.
> > >
> > > which brings my to Candy's comment.I know i should have a 
> > > sick/quarantine tank.i may get one yet.. but i'm just "fishing" 
> > > for other suggestions. Turning up the heat to 85 degrees sounds 
> > > like a
> > plan,
> > > but i'm afraid my plants can't handle that. I believe my cyperus
> > herefi
> > > and lace plants don't like high temps. I don't want to be cruel, 
> > > but
> > my
> > > plants and shrimps are all important. 
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> > > http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/aquatic-plants
> > 
> > --
> > Andrew McLeod
> > thefish at theabyssalplain_freeserve.co.uk
> > 
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