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Re: [APD] Re: Peat in substrate
how does one go about collecting mulm??
----- Original Message -----
From: "S. Hieber" <shieber at yahoo_com>
To: "aquatic plants digest" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [APD] Re: Peat in substrate
> The peat is sort of an instant mulm for a new tank. Tom's
> measurement method is more than accurate enough. It doesn't
> require some precise amount. cover the glass is plenty --
> the water will find it -- the roots will find it. Ski it if
> you want, it won't ruin your tank. Add mulm if you have it
> but peat will do if yo don't have mulm.
> Folks have used pure Flourite, Onyx, Eco-complete with
> great success -- even starting a new tank without mulm.
> Scott H.
> --- John Wheeler <jcwheel76 at yahoo_com> wrote:
> > I agree. I doesn't take much. Further, if you don't
> > add it yourself, the tank itself will add it via mulm
> > over time. Adding peat, or any other other humus, will
> > only speed along a natural tank maturing process...
> > >
> > Again, I agree. IMO, Clay products, including
> > Flourite, turface, etc, are woefully inadequate at
> > delivering nutrients without help of strong humic
> > substances like peat (etc) at tank set-up. Eventually,
> > these products will be as good as any other via mulm
> > and bacterial processes to unleash the goodies
> > within...
> > > If somebody in the Vancouver area has
> > > some Profile, I'd like
> > > to take a look at it & we could even run some simple
> > > tests to see how
> > > much iron it solubalizes. The idea would be to mix
> > > some with about 5%
> > > peat by weight in a sealed jar of water & then test
> > > iron levels after a
> > > week.
> > How do you propose to test this? Bioavailable Fe seems
> > to be difficult to test for botanists and geologists
> > in solution, so how do you expect to do so? If you
> > can, why can't we? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass,
> > either:)
> > >
> > > There are good reasons not to use fine materials
> > > like vermiculite, clay
> > > or dirt. The mess factor is a big one. If you have
> > > chelated trace
> > > nutrients, you really don't need to worry too much
> > > about iron. On the
> > > other hand, Tom has said that iron availability in
> > > the substrate may be
> > > a growth limiting factor when other nutrient needs
> > > are taken care of.
> > When did he say that?
> > > You have to ask yourself if you want to deal with
> > > pruning or harvesting
> > > a lot of plant material every week. You also have to
> > > worry about certain
> > > types of plants colonizing the entire tank.
> > I'll take that problem any day:) Come up with a
> > solution and you'll be a hero.
> > Certain types of plants dominating is baloney. We, as
> > aquarists, have way more to do with that than the
> > aquarium conditions themselves....
> > >
> > > Steve in Vancouver where the sun is playing hide and
> > > go seek with the
> > > clouds but spring is definitely well under way.
> > I love Spring, but football is on the way:)
> > Best wishes,
> > John Wheeler
> > >
> > >
> > >
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