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Re: [APD] RE: copper

How well do algaes do with freezing?  When I moved the
tank on Saturday it was around -5F.  The glass (mostly
clean) and my driftwood (not cleaned) became frozen. 
Wondering how well the algae takes a good freezing if
it wasn't prepared (out of water).

Scott R.H.

--- Thomas Barr <tcbiii at earthlink_net> wrote:
> > I had been considering using Paul's bleaching
> suggestions for the last few
> > months but was trying to avoid it if something
> else would work and it
> sounds
> > like copper is that alternative.  I can understand
> leaving the copper for
> > 3-5 days with blackout but am not sure why Paul
> left the covered tank for
> > several days with bleach.  I would think that even
> after less than an
> hour,
> > everything would be dead unless it was for the
> gravel?  I think he left
> the
> > gravel in the tank to bleach it and then removed
> it to rinse.  This may
> be a
> > stupid question but if copper kills it without the
> extra hassle, why
> bleach?
> It's good at killing stuff.
> I think Paul was worried about places the water
> might not reach, and that
> migth habor spores.
> If you notice the level changes in tanks without
> Wet/dry obverflows, the
> level varies, spores/filaments can survive for a few
> days out of water,
> then later reinfect the tank.
> I think this is a good point since you will want to
> work and clean off the
> top regions where the water might not get to, but
> cleaning off this part of
> the tank is not too bad.
> > I could always leave the shrimp and most delicate
> plants out of the tank
> for
> > a week or so until the others have a chance to
> suck up any residual
> copper.
> I'd wait a a week or two(the 80-90%) or least
> 3(routine weekly water
> change) large water changes.
> That should dilute things way down. 
> > If snails can have algae growing on their shells
> and you can't subject
> them
> > to copper or bleach, how do you get snails back
> into the tank?  Wouldn't
> > lime, alum or peroxide kill them too?  For the
> record, I have no clue what
> > alum is although some lady at the pharmacy said it
> was used for canning.
> Aluminum sulfate. "Bright and Clear" is this in
> water. 
> Snails can die:) Just let them and get some later on
> from other folks.
> Ramshorns/MTS's are not hard to find. Also, pick
> them out and scrub them or
> place them in darkness for a few weeks etc.
> Mainly older snails will have the Cladophora on them
> so keep the young.
> > I was referring to mini-riccia, pellia and mosses
> and posted:
> > "There are several plants in my tank that can't
> handle bleach but I have
> > never tried soaking them in peroxide, alum or lime
> to eradicate it." 
> > Tom posted:
> > "Lime would work well I would think for these
> plants."
> > This sounds great, I think I've read  3 sources of
> lime so far 1) bags at
> > Home Depot for the yard, 2) hydrated lime (Home
> Depot?), 3) Lime-It (pet
> > store?)  I have no preference on which one but if
> you have a
> recommendation,
> > ratio of product to water suggestion (or do you
> even dilute the liquids)
> and
> > time period I would certainly try it.
> I'm leary of suggesting that these will be 100%
> effective on these plants.
> I'd pick through the these plants very carefully,
> Dip them in tap water and
> a dilute lime bath(1-2 table spoons per liter) and
> then rinse with tap
> water.
> These plants are perfect for harboring Algae and
> I'll typically remove
> almost all of plant material and keep only a tiny
> well picked through
> fraction.
> I've tried drying, blackout etc but none of this
> works to separate out this
> algae from plants like these.
> You might try putting the plants in a low light,
> Excel enriched tank and
> see if the alga relents. John had suggested this and
> I think there's
> something to it, less light and these plants tend to
> get alone, while this
> algae does like higher light.
> I've also beaten this alga by letting Pearl grass
> over take it and block
> out the light below. The algae still lives below,
> but when you prune, you
> can get most in not all by discarding the lower
> portion that has the alga
> entangled.   
> > Just for your enjoyment, the cladophora ball in my
> tank got this awful
> > cladophora on it.  You would not believe the looks
> you get at the LFS when
> > you tell them you have a problem, your cladophora
> has cladophora.  :)
> You can wipe this off fairly easily.
> All algae you see in the tank has smaller algae on
> them.
> You may consider ionic copper and a test kit for
> this treatment. 
> This method was namely for green water instead of
> blowing 80-120$ for a
> UV/Diatom, but with some care, it should help beat
> back some species that
> are particularly troublesome for some folks. 
> Regards, 
> Tom Barr
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > Daphne
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