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Today's Topics:

   1. List management change (Mark Rosenstein)
   2. hydroponic emersed culture (Cavan)
   3. RE: APD list posting volume (Robert H)
   4. Aponogetons in Madagascar (Loh Kwek Leong)
   5. Loach anyone? (PENNY CROWLEY)
   6. Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V6 #275 (Far55mar at aol_com)
   7. Re: APD list posting volume (Giancarlo Podio)
   8. Re: CO2 reactor placement, post or pre? (Newcomb, Lew)


Message: 1
Date: 02 Sep 2003 22:49:23 -0400
From: Mark Rosenstein <mar at actwin_com>
Subject: [APD] List management change
To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
Message-ID: <1062557362_4786.60.camel at thecheat>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to let you know that we've changed which software is
managing this list.  We are now using Mailman instead of Majordomo.

You can still post messages to the list by emailing them to
aquatic-plants at actwin_com as you always have.  However, the way you
unsubscribe is different, and you can now receive individual messages
instead of digests if you wish.

You can now unsubscribe through a web page, at
This page will ask for your password.  You have each been assigned a
password, and will receive this by email tomorrow, and a reminder of
this once a month.  You can also ask to have your current password sent
to you by email at the web page mentioned above.

If you want to switch to receiving individual messages, visit that web
page, sign in with your password, and change your subscription options.

Cynthia is learning this new system right now too, and there may be a
few hiccups in the next day or two, so please bear with us.  If you have
questions or need help, you can contact the list Mom or write
postmaster at actwin_com.

Hopefully this will be an improvement for everyone.

	-Mark Rosenstein
	 Postmaster, ActWin.Com
	 Editor, FINS


Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:07:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cavan <millsman7 at yahoo_com>
Subject: [APD] hydroponic emersed culture
To: aquatic-plants at actwin_com
Message-ID: <20030903060726_95580.qmail at web12306.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi everybody

I've been growing Hygrophila corymbosa, H. difformis,
Limnophila aromatica (aka Gratiola), and Echinodorus
tenellus out on the deck this summer.  I have a few

1.  How "rich" can you make the water you feed the
plants?  I'm not worried about algae or anything here,
so can you just really go for it?  The aromatica has
grown a lot more since I started adding macros and
Flourish to its water (lots more side shoots and
flowers).  The other plants are all growing out of a
big salsa jar filled with Flourite and dirt.  They
have been getting the same water as the aromatica. 
But, although the plants are healthy...

2.  Why haven't any of them grown much above 8 inches
or so?  All seem to have adapted to outside
conditions, but I thought they would have been much
larger by now.  As long as a plant has enough
nutrition, does it matter if the roots are a little
crowded?  I don't think that should be a problem at
this point, but could it?  For the most part, my thumb
is only green below water.  I'm ashamed to admit I
have some sad looking house plants.  

3.  What might the emersed temperature tolerance of
those plants be?  It's starting to get cool around

4.  Is the air inside an average house too dry for
them?  I'm wondering if they could make it as house
plants (which might spell their doom by either dryness
or neglect).  

5.  I suppose I could move them to a covered empty 20
long and leave them in a well lighted area.  I do have
a terrarium going, but emersed plants seem to do a lot
better under the sun than even under power compacts. 
I'm in Pittsburgh, so if I went that route, would they
require supplimental light (especially in the winter
months? I'm in Pittsburgh)?    

Thanks, Cavan  

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:58:26 -0700
From: "Robert H" <robertph3 at comcast_net>
Subject: [APD] RE: APD list posting volume
To: <Aquatic-Plants at actwin_com>
Message-ID: <KBEGKEGLDEGDKPPNCEBFGEJACFAA_robertph3 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

>>I think it's fairly obvious why and how APD is losing share.  The boards
Robert listed provide participants with an organized, threaded discussion
a wide range of subjects within the general field of planted aquariums, plus
easy access to other resources.<<

Thats pretty much it. I think all email list forums are dwindling. Even the
usernet has had a sharp decrease in participation. I remember when
rec.aquaria.plants had a hundred posts a day. Now its Chuck Gadd and a
handfull of other people and a dozen or so posts a day. BB forums are easy
to read and more entertaining now with html posting, pictures and a more
intimate interaction with friends. Most are moderated so there is no


Whatever the reasons, the people who are addicted to plant discussion forums
are going to other places where there are people, and those who are not
addicted but long time members here are just being quiet. Meanwhile the flux
of new people who want to learn about the hobby are going to go where they
feel comfortable, unintimadated, and find people who can answer their
questions. But there are also some old timers here with old computers, old
technology that would never participate in an html type forum.

Robert Paul Hudson
Visit the AB forums


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:45:34 +0800
From: Loh Kwek Leong <timebomb at pacific_net.sg>
Subject: [APD] Aponogetons in Madagascar
To: "aquatic-plants-actwin.com" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Message-ID: <5_2. at po.pacific.net.sg>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

Hi, folks,

If you like to see how the Lace Plants grow in their natural habitats, go to:


Loh K L


Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:11:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: PENNY CROWLEY <pcrowley at snet_net>
Subject: [APD] Loach anyone?
To: Aquatic-Plants at actwin_com
Message-ID: <20030903141110_91537.qmail at web80307.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi listers,
Anybody want a really nice Horse-faced Loach? You'd
want to put him in a tank which has
1. plastic plants (!)
2. java only on wood or stones
3. no plants at all!
Why? he likes to burrow under the gravel, disrupting
your beautiful aquascaping. But he looks really cute
when he pokes his eyeballs up out of the substrate &
looks around. I got him before I started planting...
Trying to find him a home besides the LFS.
penny in CT


Message: 6
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:15:13 EDT
From: Far55mar at aol_com
Subject: [APD] Re: Aquatic Plants Digest V6 #275
To: Aquatic-Plants at actwin_com
Message-ID: <1ec_f15b136.2c875171 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Please cancel this for me.  I am no longer into the subject.


Message: 7
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:00:32 -0400
From: "Giancarlo Podio" <gp at isaconsulting_com>
Subject: [APD] Re: APD list posting volume
To: <Aquatic-Plants at actwin_com>
Message-ID: <005701c3722c$2064f2c0$04fea8c0 at podio>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I agree it's not the most advanced of interfaces but I have to admit, it's
one of the few that keeps history and is easy to search through. Some of the
other lists have to limit posts in the way that old material is deleted. I
find at least half of the solutions to my problems by searching through the
archives here, on some of the other lists I find I have to ask because
history is either not there or the search feature is poor. I guess each
system has it's pros and cons, APD contains a wealth of information in past
threads and is somewhat of a reference or library for many of us, it's
missing some bells and whistles but IMO serves it's purpose very well.

Giancarlo Podio


Message: 8
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:46:03 -0400 
From: "Newcomb, Lew" <lew_newcomb at eds.com>
Subject: [APD] Re: CO2 reactor placement, post or pre?
To: "Aquatic-Plants (E-mail)" <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
	<D232AEB4AA44D411B4B900508BDF0774010E4591 at usahm011_exmi01.exch.eds.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I tried hard to follow Scott's discussion of pressure & reactor placement.
I think I'm comfortable with what he said, but let me ask this from this:
>> "The other thing is simpler vertical placement. With post filter
you would need a loop going in the top and exiting the bottom since the CO2
reactor requires vertical placement to prevent bubbles from escaping out the
bottom . . . Since you feed the water into the top of a reactor, you add
the length of the reactor when installed on the output side."

Does a reactor have to be counter-current?  I thought I saw someone's
positive opinion of gas/water flowing in the same direction - no?

Lew Newcomb


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