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Re: building a wet dry -- everything but the handholding


Thanks for the additional info on the low cost trickle/sump
filter.  I know it might have seemed extreme for me to ask
for some of that stuff, but when you're sharing your wisdom
with simple blokes like me, well, all the help is

I'm jsut the Ozzie Nelson of aquatic gardening.  I once
asked Erik Olsen how to fit the tubing to the regulator. 
He was kind enough to answer with more than just "why, just
use fittings of course."  He didn't even say, "Want me to
draw you a picture?"  But he did send me a picture.  I've
passed it on to many others since then.

I didn't suspect that Surge was a brand name of pump -- it
happens to be the common name for a type of pump -- guess I
know too many plumbers.    With that low a flow for that
many watts, it must be able to develop some real head

Now, in place of bioballs, add some plastic wadding or bulk
purchase plastic army soldiers, and you really hold down
the costs.

Scott H.
> > Can you tell us the "model" of the
> > tupperware/rubbermaid stuff.  It's usually something on
> > the
> > the labels. 
> All you do grab the stuff off the shelf and see if it
> fits together like I
> have in the pics. A regular storage Tupperware bin for
> the main sump, a
> trash can for the tower about 6-16"inches taller than the
> sump, a smaller
> storage container for the drip tray that has a bottom
> that fits inside the
> trash can top tightly.
> Sump -model no# 2215 18 gallon
> Trash can-  think 30 qts- 2806
> Drip tray- 0439, 2 gallon or so.
> Hose not sure, but it's dirt cheap at Lowe's, less than 1
> dollar a ft I
> think. Fits the bill, doesn't kink unless you really bend
> it good.
> I use silicone and then with a compression clamp for the
> seal.
> > And the make and motor of the sump pump, and
> > where you got the hoses.
> The brand make is a Surge 3000, 870 GPH, 60 watts. I can
> send you a photo of
> it taken apart so you can see the internal parts.
> I've seen them at LFS lately and on line so I saw before
> I bought one.
> In certain respects they appear to match if not exceed
> the Eheim 1060 pump.
> This one has more capacity(870 GPH vs the Ehiem's 600GPH
> range) so it's not
> fair to match them evenly. But the construction of the
> impeller housing is
> better IMO and the screen-prefilter sponge is also
> similar, as nice etc.
> The Epoxy encased motor is the same in these designs so
> that will be
> similar.
> The Ehiem does have the hose clamp built into the output
> effluent return.
> Not one on this but no need for special dia hoses, a
> clamp will do just
> fine.
> > 
> > My LFS charges about $80 for the kind of hose that
> > shows in
> > your pics.  I just know you got a better deal than
> > that.
> Well they sell the real nice tough stuff there also. But
> it's not that
> expensive.
> I just got that since it fit the bill a little better and
> did not want to
> cut some thick unwieldy hose, this stuff is cheap and
> flexible but holds
> water.
> The pvc parts are simply 1" and lock together with
> male/female threaded end
> to form the seals and I add a rubber gasket washer.
> The whole thing is very compact and cost only a few $.
> Cannot crack it etc. Doesn't matter if it looks that
> great either, you don't
> see it, and you don't need to clean it often/ever.
> You can alter this design and have the outflow of the
> trash can come out one
> large single hole and have that fall into a bag micron
> filter before going
> to the return pump CO2 set up.
> The tanks I have had don't require that though, the
> filter with the
> prefilter part keep things very clean. You could also lay
> some micron felt
> in the drip plate section or chemical media etc.
> The modular design and large space in the drip plate is
> similar to the
> Marineland Tide pool. But this is less than half the
> price and no bio wheel.
> Compare the cost/features etc to that vs this when you
> add the pump, the
> prefilter etc.

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