Thanks to Daphne, Dave, and Oliver. My seminar gets out at 3:30pm, so it's down to Fish Store N' More, up 141 to get to Petland, then down Pleasant Hill Rd. to Aviarium, back to 1-85 headed for home. Boy, won't that seminar seem to last all day! Thanks again, Jamie <"\\\>< Aquatic plants, water chemistry, and cichlids http://www.ais-gwd.com/~jjirons