are you sure it was the temp. that killed them? might it not have been other factors? i sympathize with your loss. we have all done something "stupid" or not so stupid but which caused some loss... and we do get attached to our fish even if they are not petable or huggable. just grieve a bit and then you can start again. tsuh yang chen, nyc, USA http://www.egroups.com/group/orchidspecies